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    Default U.S. made vs ComBloc ??

    This question is probably sacrilege here, but, Is there a real world difference between an AK made in the States and an AK from the other side?
    Is it like the FAL where you have 'INCH' and 'METRIC'?
    I'm assuming accessories will fit both, but are the rifles' parts themselves interchangable?
    I've never been a real AK admirer, but I do have one. Mostly a 'know your enemy' type of thing. But Centerfire has a couple of U.S. AKs that I can actually afford. 'No assembly required'
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    This question is probably sacrilege here
    Don't know why you think that?


    Can't say I've heard anyone complain about a US AK, so I guess those marked as that are ok.
    But actually most US made AKs are just assemble here and use quite a few parts from over there. Like trunnions, bolt carriers & bolts, you know the stuff that's cheap to make over there but would cost more here because of labor prices. Then they use as many US made parts as possible.
    Actually any kit build can be classed as "made in the USA" since it turned back into a firearm here.
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    Never cared much for the AR platform. I fired the M16A1 at Paris Island in 1974 to qualify but mostly used the 1911, M14, and the 12ga pump shotgun as a sentry for the Navy. I have one Chinese AK and several that are of Romanian or Hungarian pedigree. I know the M16 is a tack driver but I prefer 30 caliber. I would have no problem buying a all American made parts AK47 if it is reliable.
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    as most here I prefer the ones I made with my own hands here in the USA - assembled with my home made receivers
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    Most of the existing Commie made stuff is considered higher quality than a corresponding US made part or even some of the new made commercial stuff from the former Warsaw Pact. This is simply the economics of a state run system versus one seeking a profit.

    Back when the Socialists ran everything they did not pay someone for steel, the state run steel plant produced it and sent it to the state run arsenal that made AKs. The workers were paid very little and if ya screwed up something enough their idea of Quality Control was to send you to the Gulag as a "wrecker". AKs were a national security item and as such no "expense" was spared to produce them. They made so many of them that even as surplus the market was saturated and so prices were low.

    Now take today, where everybody making a commercial gun has to buy their steel from another company, pay their employees enough so they can get people to want to work there, and if they screw up they know another job is out there somewhere. US especially, where labor costs are higher, to stay competitive you generally have to cut corners somewhere. That is why we got $15 USA mags back in the day that were made from thin sheetmetal and didn't work, they were competing with the $5 steel comblock surplus mags. Even today where they run $15 for surplus, to make a comparable steel mag in the US it would likely be priced around $50. That is why no one makes one. Same for the guns themselves, but prices have jumped enough on the comblock stuff that it is now possible to make one from US made parts for about the same as the imports. What corners were cut though?

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    Excellent explanation Kernel !!
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    All my com-block guns are pretty good shooters.

    As an added bonus I have the chance to kill our enemies with their own guns.

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    Only 100% made in the USA AK I've heard of is the Centurion 39 and I've never seen or shot one so am not sure if they are any good or not. Being made by Century doesn't get the confidence vote either. Anyways, here is a link to an article about them and a quote from the article. Link to article Century Arms Centurion 39 Sporter Rifle - American Rifleman

    And a quote from the article:

    "Introduced in January 2010, the Centurion 39 is a new semi-automatic version of the AK-47 design, and it retains all the signature AK features, such as the curved 30-round magazine, 7.62x39 mm chambering, and an oversize, right-side safety lever. Unlike other AKs sold in this country, which are usually assembled using foreign-made parts kits, the Centurion is made completely in the United States"
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    IO claims there guns are US Made I however would like tio see proof the trunions , bolts an carriers are US made .

    I agree with a lot of what the kernel has said above . CNC has taken a lot oft he cost out of the labor needed to make gunparts but you still have to pay for the equipment . Its a lot easier to do run of ak bolts an trunions today than it was 20 years ago . very true how makers have to buy steel from a suppler an there is always a middle man . its also veyr true how rising prices of Aks have made it possible for american companies to possibly compete. If we can make a ar barrle extension for $12 an bolt for $70 we should be able to do some AK parts fairly cheap also.

    I would love to see a 308 win pressure level 3 lug bolt an trunnion, made by a company an sold as just parts . seems every one wants to copy whats already for sale in a surplus state . All you need is to leave the material for the lug no big deal . please make me some super bolts an extra heavy m70 type trunnions .

    with Saigas an Vepers being banned there should be a market for a 308 an simular US AK variant or at least a parts kit . hell Im surprised mexico has not made them for import .

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    there have been a few guys making trunnions her in the US but there in small batches an there pricey .

    Also can some one please make a RSB that has a spot to screw on a rail??????how hard is this to figure out?? If i had the machinery id build a better mouse trap .

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