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    Default PERUVIAN 1935 MODELO MAUSER

    ALL THE MAUSER TALK LATELY AN I WAS IN THE GUN SAFE ANY WAY I TOUGHT ID SHOW A FEW PICS OF A DEAL I GOT TWO YEARS AGO.

    ITS A ( I THINK ) A PERUVIAN 1935 MODELO MAUSER IN 30-06
    ACCORDING TO WHAT I CAN FIND THEY REBARRELD MANY OF THESE TO 30-06 WHEN PERUE STARTED GETTING SPRINGFILEDS IN 30-06 . ORIGIANLY THEY WERE 7.65

    I got this for $100 caliber unknown. unfortunalty it has had the reciver drilled an taped for scope bases. otherwise its pretty stock. the bolt has no numbers on it . Im pretty sure its a .308 bore its deffinalty 30-06 an it shoots very well. about 1Moa with Remington core-lokt 150,s .

    The story behind it is it was purchased by the guy i got it from's dad in the 50 in South America it had a Weaver 4x on some strange looking steel high mounts when I first saw it about 5 years ago an was told he bought it that way when he was an engineer in South America susposedly bought it from a military person of some higher rank???????????????????????????????

    Well the dad who bought it down south died an the son has a few run ins with the law an cant have guns any more so it came up for sale .

    when I got to see it again the weaver 4x an strange steel high rings were long gone. The guy who is a buddy of a buddy didn't know what caliber it was only that dad brought it home from south America when he was a little boy ( he is about 45 now) he told me he knew for sure it had optics on it then as it was the first gun his dad had with a scope. He wanted $150 I told him with the scope holes it was not worth much as a collector an I had $100 take it or leave it . He took it I honestly though it was a Spanish or Mexican mauser an i had very little Mauser knowledge then ( still don't have much)

    Its got about a 24" barrel an turned bolt with the bottom og the know flattened an checkered . the safey is off when flipped to the right . from my research im pretty sure its a Peruvian mauser rebarreld to 30-06 an refinished in a sort of phosphate type finish. the shorter barrel length is interesting an it looks uncut .

    Any way I never pulled the base to check the crest but its marked
    MODELO 1935 I cant read the lh side if there is anything the redo hides it there appears to be faint marking but im not going to scrape the fiish off to try to read it.

    I threw a vintage weaver 3x that clears the factory wood with is small rear optic an it gives an excellent line up an check weld i can barrely see a faint shadow of the front sight cover in the scope. the action is very very smooth.
    I actually had it in a sporting stock as is for a year sighted in as a spare loaner rifle for deer hunting. I needed the stock so I swaped it back an the military barrel didn't fit the sporter channel that great any way . \

    The trigger is a original two stage an is heavy on the second stage.

    If the trigger were better I would not hesitate to put it in a sporter stock an use it as a go to hunting rifle. its not that bad in the stock its in an like i said it shoots about 1" groups. the wood is pretty good its a shame its been drilled an tapped. I cant find any cases of the Peruvian Government having weaver scopes or bases any of there rebarrels even though they were done in the 1950 or so . i do recall thinking he rings were different when I saw his dad shooting it years ago. Id love to call it a Peruvian sniper model but I know better. It likely was tweaked by a Peruvian military guy for a personal hunting weapon. it seems pretty believable that the it was modified in south America some were . I recall a little of the dad saying he bought it with the scope on in a very brief discussion about it at a sight in. being drilled an tapped i don't worry about wrecking its value an at some point might get a new stock an big scope .

    so for know i call it my south American rebel sniper for laughs.

    my Son started shooting it when he was almost 10 with a few grains of red dot in super light plinker load an it would do one hole 40 yard groups . he refers to to as his army gun.

    any way here is a pic of it i haven't seen another like it .
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    turns out that the Peruvian 1935 was made by FN

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    Damn thats nice!!! Thanks for posting that. Interesting story.
    Enforcement, NOT Amnesty!!!!!!

    "If they’re going to come here illegally, apply for & receive assistance through a corrupted Government agency encouraging this lawless behavior, work under the table & send billions of dollars each year back to their families in Mexico, while bleeding local economies dry, protest in our streets waving their Mexican flags DEMANDING rights, while I have to press ’1′ for English, then they need to be shipped back to where they came from!" -Chad Miller

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    HERE IS A LITTLE MORE OF WHT I HAVE FOUND OUT . ITS APARENTLY A SHORT RIFLE NOT A CASRBINE AS I HAD THOUGHT . ITS GOT A 23.5" BARREL APARENTL;Y THESE WERE REBARRELD BY FN AN THE BARRELS ARE PRETTY GOOD. IT SHOOTS NICE.

    IM TEMPTED TO HUNT WITH IT NEXT YEAR ON A FEW DEAR DRIVES WITH BUDDIES JUST TO KEEP THEM SCRATHING THERE HEADS. THOSE GUYS NEVER KNOW WHAT IM BRINGING FROM AK PISTOLS TO MOSINS TO MAYBE A TRAP DOOR SPRINGFILED. LOL
    THAT LITTLE WEAVER 3X IS A GREAT LITTEL CLOSE RANGE SCOPE NA VASTLY UNDER APRECIATED . MY GRAND MOTHERS RIFLE AD ONE ON IT AN SHE KILLED A LOT OF BIG BUCKS AT LONGER RANGES WITH IT BACK IN THE DAY. THERE ABILITY TO MOUNT THEM DOWN LOW IS A BIG PLUS IMO.

    I NOTE THAT OFFICERS WERE ALLOWED TO BUY SPORTERISED VERSION OF EARLYIER RIFLES I CANT HELP BUT WONDER IF SPORTERISED IE SCOPED VERSIONS WERE MADE UP ??????? I DO KNOW THE WEAVER SCOPE THAT WAS ON IT WAS FROM THE 1950,S I WNDER IF THERE WERE ANY MILITARY MOUNTED SCOPES EVER INSTALLED OR OFFERED???????????? THE GUN WAS SAID TO BELONG TO A OFFICER AT ONE POINT??
    IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY THAT IT WAS SCOPED AFTER BEING SOLD IN PERU . I DONT EVEN KNOW IF THE GUN WAS BOUGHT IT PERU ONLY IN SOUTH AMERICA.

    I HAVE BEEN REALLY THINKING ABOUT JUST THROWNING THE ENTIRE ACTION IN A GOOD SPORTING STOCK LEAVING THE VERY UNOBRTRUSIVE FRONT SIGHT AN ADDING A GOOD TRIGGER . ID SAVE THE OLD STOCK . I CANT REALLY HURTHE VALUE OIF IT MUCH . ITS A DAMN NICE 30-06.


    ANY WAY HERE IS SOME BETTER INFO .

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    The Mauser Rifles of Peru






    By Dan Reynolds, with the most valued assistance of a private collector who has provided most of the photos for this article and Antonio Cuba in Peru who has provided additional information as well as photographs.
    In the early 1890's Peru had various obsolete single shot military rifles in service as well as smaller numbers of repeating rifles such as the .44-40 Winchester Model 1873, the 11mm M1882 Remington Lee and 7.92mm Reichsgewehr M1888.
    In 1901 Peru purchased the Mauser Modelo Argentino 1891 in 7.65x53mm. Rifles had a 29" barrel, and carbines which were stocked to the muzzle, with a 17.5" barrel. These were produced by Ludwig Loewe & Co. in Berlin and were identical with the Mausers being produced for Argentina in the same period.

    I had the opportunity to examine many of the Argentine contract rifles over 40 years ago and small improvements were made during the span of production and I would assume that this may be reflected in Mausers with the Crest of Peru on the receiver ring, but I cannot say if all change versions observed on the Argentine Mausers appear among the reported 30,000 Mausers purchased by Peru. As best as I can recall now, there were five "improved" versions which progressively appeared during the course of the production run for Argentina.

    The Modelo 1891 was subject to alteration from 1912 after the new Modelo 1909 had entered service in 1910. The M1909 was chambered for an improved version of the 7.65x53mm using a spitzer bullet at higher velocity. Many, but not all rifles and carbines received a new "Lange" type rear sight calibrated for this cartridge.

    In 1909 a new rifle based on the German Gewehr 1898 Mauser but with some differences was adopted to supplement the Modelo 1891. It was produced by Mauser and marked as an "Original Mauser". Both rifles and some carbines were purchased. Among the differences from the Gewehr 98 are the long cocking piece and the small barrel shank of the M1891 pattern (this is because Peru specified that barrels be interchangeable with the small diameter receiver ring of the Modelo 1891 Mauser and the standard large ring diameter of the Modelo 1909. These rifles were designed to fire the new, improved spitzer bullet in the 7.65x53mm case.

    These rifles were beautifully finished but are rarely found in original condition. In the 1930's, about 1935, Peru purchased a small number of new rifles from the Mauser in Oberndorf/A.N., made exactly as the originals and so marked. These were used by ceremonial troops in Lima at the Presidental Palace up to the late 1950's and were well cared for, retaining all matching numbers. There exists an unknown quantity of Modelo 1909 rifles which differ from the common type which is well known to North American collectors. This variation may be a special type purchased for rifle marksmanship shooting competition or may be the very earliest production production model. The highest serial number known is 150. Among the features of these rifles which set them apart are a special tangent type rear sight which has a fine adjustment mechanism for elevation (unlike the Lange type rear sight found on the standard M1909) and a handguard extending from the the receiver to beyond the lower band. See the photo for a comparison of these variants.

    In the late 1920's Peru needed to replace worn out and obsolete rifles in military and police service. In 1919 Peru had purchased replacement barrels in Belgium for its M1891 and M1909 rifles and was rebuilding them, but with use the condition of a number of rifles in service declined. The carbine version of the M1909 was used by the Peruvian Navy in 7.65. In the post 1960 period some of these carbines were presented to high ranking officers as a retirement gift in a special display box. Officers could buy a sporterized version with the original barrel rechambered to 7.62x51mm.

    In 1930 several hundred Czech Vz24 Mauser short rifles in 7.65x53mm were purchased from the Brno rifle works in Moravia. This was followed a few years later by the Modelo 1932 short rifle and carbine from the same source. The Modelo 1932 is a very special rifle. This Mauser uses the special small ring Model 98 pattern action as the Czech Treasury Police VZ33 Carbine and the German issued G33/40 Carbine employed by the Mountain Troops of the Wehrmact. It uses an upper band of a pattern designed to utilize the bayonet for the Modelo 1891. It is believed that Czech bayonets were made for this rifle, but it may be that the 5000 thousand rifles were destined for some police unit organization that was armed with the Modelo 1891 and had spare bayonets of this pattern on hand. This is specualation. Perhaps some reader has information on this subject?

    F.N. of Herstal Belgium supplied a rare variation of their M24/30 carbine in 7.65x53mm sometime in the 1930's. I have only examined one and that was about 45 years ago. It has Crest of Peru, 17.5" barrel, and upper band consists of a standard F.N M24/30 horizontal "H pattern fitting" applied directly to the forend wood with no metal cup under it, no bayonet lug, and secured by a transverse pin as in the first Mauser Standard Modell of 1924 rifles and carbines. I don't know what the correct Peruvian designation is for this carbine. There are also Army issued FN Mauser carbines of a different pattern but I have no information on details. Police issued Mauser carbines were replaced by the U.S. .30 M1 Carbine.

    The next Mauser rifle to be adopted was the F.N. produced Modelo 1935. This rifle, in 7.65x53mm, introduced the reversed wing safety. To place on safe you must rotate it to your left, the exact opposite of all other Mauser military rifles and carbines known to me. This was done to facilitate a style of marksmanship popular in the 1930's international and Pan-American military rifle matches in which the shooter moves his face far forward on the rifle stock to take his sight picture. It was told to me that a prominent shooting champion of this period was a Peruvian officer of high rank and he influenced this change, as when one assumed this shooting position it was possible to be struck by the normal safety in recoil after firing. Purchases of this model continued until 1939 and some may have been purchased in the late 1940's.

    By the early 1950's Peru received .30 M1903 American Springfield Rifles (Navy or Armada) and .30 M1 Garand Rifles (Army). These rifles used the U.S. .30-06 cartridge. It was decided to convert many worn Mausers to use this cartridge. Some of the Modelo 1935 rifles were fitted with new barrels and other necessary parts and given a dull phosphate finish. The receiver bridge was stamped .30 and the rear center of the receiver was notched while the magazine was altered to accept the longer .30-06 cartridge (7.62x63mm in metric designation). Some of the M1909 Mausers were also converted to this cartridge but this action was not as well suited to the change. FN Modelo 1935 used by the army were rechambered to 7.62x51 beginning in 1959 or 1960. They are currently stored, some being used to arm soldiers in parades and other ceremonial events. Some are also used in the shooting matches of the National rifle shooting associaton but remain the property of the Peruvian Army and cannot be removed from the army shooting ranges.

    Peru used various accessories for its Mausers such as bayonets, slings, sight guard/muzzle caps, and an unusal bolt tool used to facilitate take down of this assembly.

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    I don't know Bud,,,, are you just pulling all these SWEAT MAUSERS outa the safe just to make me drool and to fuck with me a bit????? YA BASTARD!!!!

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    LOL
    WAIT UNTLL YOU SEE THE M44 MOSINS ME AN AN MY SON ARE RESTORING.
    A REALLY GREAT GUY SET ME UP WITH SOME NICE STOCKS. KEPT ME FROM CUTTING THEM UP AN MAKING THEM INTO SPORTERS.

    I ONLY HAVE 2 OTHER MAUSER THAT HAVENT BEEN SHOWN. A NICE 98 SPORTER IN 7MM MAUSER
    WITH A DOUGLES BARREL AN A TURKIS K KALE WITH A CHOATE STOCK AN A PACNOR BARREL IN 308 WIN.

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    That IS nice! Some interesting history too.
    “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.” George Washington

    "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
    George Washington

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    Good Lord,,,, you guys still messing around with them Mosins??? YOU AIN'T DONE YET???

    Don't make me drive way out there and help you finish them up!!!! LOL!!

    How long doe's it take ya to build a real gun!!!

    Did ya see the pic of the nice 03 Springfield I picked up last week??

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    I need a couple small parts like mag wells and Trigger parts in a few screws to finish the mosins 1 is done. I don't have the bayonets for any of them either. The parts are easy enough to find. Most gun money has gone toward my 6mm BR wildcat lately. I'm spread pretty thin.

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    Yup funds sometimes slow things down some.

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