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    Default Re A5 Auto Loader

    Quote Originally Posted by sovblocgunfan View Post
    Anybody up on the old-school long-recoil shotguns ("humpbacks")? These are Auto 5's, Remington Model 11's, Savage 720/745/755 etc, Remington 11-48, etc.

    Seems Browning has revived the Auto 5 name and come out with a new shotgun, but it does not seem to be the A5 that I know and love.

    Anybody know anything about how the action is supposed to work?

    The New A5 -- Come Hell or High Water - Browning Article

    Hi ya Sovblocgunfan,
    What do you need to know about your shotgun ? Im in the progress of rebuilding a Remington 11, which for all intense purpopses the same gun.,,,Doc

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    I have a Savage 720 that I rebuilt-it's just like the Remington Model 11.



    My intent was to start a discussion about the new A5 they rolled out this past year. It's apparently VERY different from the old A5's, M11's, etc.

    Haven't seen one myself, so I'z asking if anyone had, and knew anything about why they are so different.

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    The only difference I can see is the rear of the receiver is lower on the A5, and I don't think the barrels moves like the Auto 5 does
    Don't know if it helps or not, but here's a video of the new one
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    Bennelli's patent expired in 2006, thus the Browning copy of it's recoil operated system. As I understand it, the bolt head and carrier are spring loaded to each other. Once turned to the locked position the cam slot is now straight and allows the carrier to move forward and compress the spring. When fired, the carrier essentially stays stationary while the rest of the gun recoils rearward, compressing the spring. As it bottoms out, the spring snaps the carrier rearward and imparts enough momentum to it to cycle the action.

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    Default No more new Red Labels?

    When did Ruger quit making Red Labels? Those were some of the best quail guns for the money around here.

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    Oh! So Browning copied the Benelli inertia design? Well, there you are!

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    I don't know about the new ones but I have Belgium a5 20 magnum a American Browning A5 that people say was actually made by Remington, A Belgium Browning 12 gauge a Remington 11 in 20 gauge an a Savage 12.

    The 12 gauges were all bought by my great grand father prior to or at the very start of WWII. He bought them all at the dame time there was fear that it was going to be hard to get guns . ( funny how some htings never change) . I was lucky enough to get all three over time from my Grandfather who used them a lot after my great grand father died in 1963. My grand father was a local legend in northern California an was lighting fast on quail an pheasant shooting the A5. he litteraly could drop 3 Quail before most good shoots could get off a shot . he was a poke an shoot style hunter.

    As a 12 year old kid i can still recall that browning coming up an the barrel cycling in a out as it ejected three hot shells at me to his right. He told me the American Browning never jammed once on him until the bolt cracked at the ears were it slid in the reciver. He said he likely had shot a 100,000 rounds out of it an who know how many his dad shot. he used the Belgium after that until he could not walk any more.

    i was given the broken American Browning In about 1983. it had a cracked bolt an the reciver was cracked were the shell retainer for unloading with out feeding another shell in. Gramps liked to shoot high base loads in it an as far as i know never rearranged the washers in it for heavy loads. the buffer was busted loose an cracked . the buffer is what actualy stopped the gun from working . it had light surface rust. I had the bolt an reciver welded back up I sanded the rust off an never reblued it i just ran it in the white for years. I shot it was my first 12 guage. I shot it in trap league for 4 years an it never once jammed on multipurpose loads. i finished second in the club a few years against a dozen registered shooters an beat the state champ one year in trap league. Guys used to comment that i should park it an get a good gun like there perazies , barrettas kohlers etc. funny none of them guys hardely ever beat me . i eventualy got a over under SKB when the browning broke again after I put a last 2000 round through it. My mother had the Savage an when I moved to WI she slipped it in my truck unknow to my dad. the savage never shot right it always jammed on plastic shells an was not great on paper either . it has been shoot very little I had a smith work on it an it seems to be better its a really tight choke goose gun an now that were stuck with steel shot I cant use it .

    last year my grand father died at 95 years old he hunted into his 90,s . I flew out to his funeral an i had one request i wanted the Beglum . after a lot of hurt feeling with my dad i was able to get it .( It was my mothers dads gun)

    Two weeks ago I finaly got to shoot the Belgium Browning on some crows. I had wanted that gun since I was 10 it took me 39 years to get to shoot it. it shouldrs an points better thaan any gun I own . Its beat to hell an the bluing on the barrel is long gone from poking brush to flush quail there is a replaced fore end that I got grandpa for xmass in the 1970,s when the original had split an he was shooting it with electrical tape for two years. In side the magaizine there is a hand carved red wood plug to limit the gun to two shells that my sons great great grand father had carved in the 1940,s. the gun is not for sale at any price an i would fight any one who tried to take it law or no law.

    I don't plan on making my son wait 40 years to shoot this gun. He will be the 5th generation to hunt with it. I think my Great Grand Father who died three days after I was born an saw me before he passed would have been proud to see his great great grand son shoot it.

    IMO the browning A5 is the best auto loader ever designed. yea its heavy by todays standard but they were reliable an strong pointed very well. I doubt then new alloy guns like will go the number of rounds a browning can an still be around in hard use after 100 years.

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    You are right. In all respects. John Browning is known to have said that his autoloading shotgun was, in his opinion, his most successful design. I think he might have been right. The gun will happily beat itself to death with minimal maintenance. I have heard of some from the 20's and 30's that were essentially never cleaned, and worked perfectly. My Savage, built on the Remington version, was made sometime before the war and somebody shot the hell out of it. New springs and a repaired forearm (9" long crack in it) had it back up and running again.

    The original A5 design, with all its variants and licenses, was made for very nearly 100 years. It ranks right up there with the best of the best in terms of ruggedness and reliability.

    I don't know if this new one will be as legendary. It better be, if they are going to bring the name out of retirement.

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    NOT SURE ??? I HAD A 28 GUAGE FOR A WHILE TRADED IT OFF IT WAS A GOOD GUN.

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