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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin View Post
    Geez, sorry to hear that. It gripes the hell out of me to pay top dollar for some work and they send in the Samsonite Gorilla to do the work.

    Andre' (Andy) Varen is top notch. He managed the manufacturing area for GT.

    Problem with the old Global Trades is that they would hire any bone headed kid they found off the street to build rifles for them. Looks like ERT&D is doing the same


    i bought a lot of guns/receivers/parts/etc. from G.T. from when they started the business, sorry, but i never got anything bad from them.
    either i got real lucky or some people didn't get so lucky or some people just like to complain.

    maybe a few pictures of his pistol would have helped. let us all see what he is refering to. i have not done business with ERT&D yet, so i don't know about them.

    I.K.: hiring bone headed kids?, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?. i never saw any when i was over at there shop. what does one of them ( bone headed kid) look like? you got a picture of one of them?

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    They did my build over the summer and I couldnt be happier.

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    Bone headed kid;
    Young male, typically shaved head, low sloping greasy forehead, bluejeans slung down around their knees with silver chain low hanging attached to leather wallet, zit faced (heavy infestation generally around mouth area from eating heavly greased fast food), dense bone from ear to ear, dazed look in their eyes as if hit squarely in forehead by the end of a long 2x4, speaks in combination of pops, grunts and clicks, drips drool from the corner(s) of mouth.

    Back in the dark ages (pre Plinkers riveting jig) I would pay GT to rivet in front trunnions into receiver shells. The riveting was generally poor quality with large gaps under several of the preformed heads, trunnion installed off at an angle (eg barrel not in line with receiver), receivers warped, axis pin holes egg shaped, poorly formed rivet heads, countersunk receiver holes not countersunk, on and on and on. I grew weary of paying top dollar for poor quality worksmanship. Then the clouds parted and there was Frank with his newly finished riveting jig and the rest, as they say, was history........

    FWIW, for the ERT&D AKs I've fondled at local fun shows, they look to be of good quality, but then again I have not had the chance to fondle many.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin View Post
    Bone headed kid;
    Young male, typically shaved head, low sloping greasy forehead, bluejeans slung down around their knees with silver chain low hanging attached to leather wallet, zit faced (heavy infestation generally around mouth area from eating heavly greased fast food), dense bone from ear to ear, dazed look in their eyes as if hit squarely in forehead by the end of a long 2x4, speaks in combination of pops, grunts and clicks, drips drool from the corner(s) of mouth.

    Back in the dark ages (pre Plinkers riveting jig) I would pay GT to rivet in front trunnions into receiver shells. The riveting was generally poor quality with large gaps under several of the preformed heads, trunnion installed off at an angle (eg barrel not in line with receiver), receivers warped, axis pin holes egg shaped, poorly formed rivet heads, countersunk receiver holes not countersunk, on and on and on. I grew weary of paying top dollar for poor quality worksmanship. Then the clouds parted and there was Frank with his newly finished riveting jig and the rest, as they say, was history........

    FWIW, for the ERT&D AKs I've fondled at local fun shows, they look to be of good quality, but then again I have not had the chance to fondle many.
    hey! i have seen those guys before. i just didn't know they had jobs any where.

    i guess i must have gotten luck with G.T.'s.

    i'll look at the next gunshow at ert&d stuff. i only go to the houston gun collectors show any more and the last 2 of them i only bought a $10 item just to say i bought something and the last one i didn't buy anything. but i renew my NRA membership in jan. each year there and get in free to the show. my wife does the jewlery show just down from it, so it give me something to do and i get to see a bunch of old friends.

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    I'd always thought GT's quality was hit or miss..........not all gloom and doom. Did I mention that I don't really miss the old musty, dog piss smelly, crappy carpet they used to have in the receiption area

    Haven't seen Mr. Streetman around any more but do run into that all around nice guy and super service salesman Ron at some of the local fun shows. He oozes of warmth and kindsmanship.


    Did I do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin View Post
    I'd always thought GT's quality was hit or miss..........not all gloom and doom. Did I mention that I don't really miss the old musty, dog piss smelly, crappy carpet they used to have in the receiption area

    Haven't seen Mr. Streetman around any more but do run into that all around nice guy and super service salesman Ron at some of the local fun shows. He oozes of warmth and kindsmanship.
    i have not seen jimmy in a couple years, i saw ron at the last houston gun show. i have know him for almost 30+ years and he is the same today as he was 30+ years ago.

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    I would NEVER use anthing but a 7mm, carbide end mill in a Bridgeport, to "cut in" a barrel pin hole. MANY years ago, I used to use a very sturdy drill press...to "drill" them in..no more. You get unacceptable "drift" and "wobble" by drilling them instead of milling them. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin View Post
    I'd always thought GT's quality was hit or miss..........not all gloom and doom. Did I mention that I don't really miss the old musty, dog piss smelly, crappy carpet they used to have in the receiption area

    Haven't seen Mr. Streetman around any more but do run into that all around nice guy and super service salesman Ron at some of the local fun shows. He oozes of warmth and kindsmanship.
    Jim Streetman moved over to Elk River. Talked with him for an hour about getting AK parts in from Cambodia.
    Nice guy.
    "Man needs but two things to survive alone in the woods. A blow up female doll and his trusty old AK-47" - Thomas Jefferson 1781


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Jim Streetman moved over to Elk River. Talked with him for an hour about getting AK parts in from Cambodia.
    Nice guy.
    It's funny the way you put that.

    Elk River purchased the assets of Global Trades / Armory USA, so it was more like "going home from GT and coming back to work at ERT&D".

    ERT&D kept the majority of employees of GT/AUSA, fyi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Jim Streetman moved over to Elk River. Talked with him for an hour about getting AK parts in from Cambodia.
    Nice guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by nalioth View Post
    It's funny the way you put that.

    Elk River purchased the assets of Global Trades / Armory USA, so it was more like "going home from GT and coming back to work at ERT&D".

    ERT&D kept the majority of employees of GT/AUSA, fyi.
    Gentlemen,

    Not to disagree with the gentleman from Florida or my good friend and custoner from Texas,...but...

    1) Jimmy Streetman is still operating as "ArmoryUSA" and is not involved with either "Global Trades" (Ron Yates) or Elk River Tool and Die (Hector Bennett) other than on a purely professional basis.

    2) Elk River Tool and Die (Hector Bennett) purcahsed the manufacturing side of ArmoryUSA and is a Federally licensed manufacturer.

    3) In years past Global Trades/ArmoryUSA were associated with each other, but as of now they are corporations operating independently of each other.


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