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    I would like to show how to convert standard rivets into European AK style rivets. This is by no means an all inclusive tutorial but some ideas that have worked for me. I hope to further refine my methods and techniques to produce an accurate cost effective alternative to store bought rivet kits.

    Some factory rivet specs. These are averages. One thing I have noticed is heads vary in size on one rifle.

    Romanian front and rear trunnion rivets are .250 dia. x. 073 high
    Romanian front trigger guard rivets are .270 dia. x .083 high
    Romanian rear trigger guard rivet is .282 dia. x .086 high
    Chinese factory rivets are slightly larger at .292 dia. x .110 high.

    Tools used
    Drill press
    Files
    Swaging plate
    Head forming plate
    12 ton hydraulic press
    Oil or grease
    Hammer
    Punch

    Here is a list of rivets and where they are used. I bought them from McMaster-Carr.

    http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivets/=fpe66s

    Large Diameter:
    Rear Trunnion Long Swell neck 47/74 3/16” x 2” 97300A677
    Front Trunnion Swell neck 74 3/16” x 3/8” 97300A663

    Small Diameter:
    Rear Trunnion Short Swell neck 74 5/32” x 3/8” 97300A105
    Trigger Guard Front 47/74 5/32” x 3/8” 97300A105
    Trigger Guard Rear 47/74 5/32” x ¼” 97300A100
    Front Trunnion 47/74 Swell neck 5/32” x 3/8” 97300A105

    The first thing is to make your swaging plate. I used a piece of 3/8 scrap mild steel plate.

    For the small dia. rivets I drilled two #21 or 0.159 dia. holes. One I countersunk with a HF 45 degree countersink and the other I left flat. I use the countersink to put the swell neck on and form the head. The other one is used to form the head on the non swell neck rivets. Simply place the rivet in swaging plate hole and back with the head forming plate and press. Now just chuck it in the drill press and turn the head to size.

    The large dia. rivets are a little more work. You need to reduce the body size and swage the head. Drill three holes a #14, #15 and #16 then relieve the back to make removal easier and countersink. The #16 is used only to form and size the head and swell neck on the 2” long rivets because they don’t reduce well.

    To form the short rivets moderately hammer the rivets into each progressively smaller hole using lubricant. When it’s in the #16 put it into the press with the head forming plate and swage the head. Now shape in the drill press.

    * New Information1/10/12. The long rivets need to be turned in the drill press to size the body. They don’t reduce well in the swaging plate. They start to look like fish hooks. With my drill press chuck I found I can put the head in first and tighten the chuck to reduce the tip. I didn’t think that would work but it does with a 2” rivet. This also helps when test fitting it in the trunnion. Next put the swell neck on and swage in the #16 hole. Now shape the head in the drill press.

    I want to make a die based on the long rivet swaging tool that will actually shape and trim the rivet head better so I won’t have to shape it in the drill press.

    *Note be careful when swaging the rivet head the bottom of the rivet doesn’t get compressed otherwise you will have to pound it back out. He, He, He.

    You will have to trim the rivet’s length to suit your needs based on the head size of your swaging die.

    Swaging plate and Head forming plate


    Swaging the head


    Before and after swaging



    Swell neck



    Reducing body diameter on the short 3/16 dia. rivet



    Turning the body on the long 3/16 dia rivet.



    Turning the head



    Finished large rivet body diameter is .177
    Last edited by akma; 01-10-2012 at 04:24 PM. Reason: Additional Information

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    Very nice

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    good stuff akma and thank you for the help i was reading some place else that mc masters rivets are really soft is this true?

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    Ah the good 'ol drill press shaft reduction method Can't tell you how many of those I've done that way. A tip - be aware of the side of the press you are filing against. You can make the rivet walk out of the chuck if the teeth pull it downward. Also, you'll bugger up your file against the chuck or bugger up the chuck so be careful. Less pressure is better - they like to bend themselves out of the chuck with too much pressure.

    THe Mcmaster rivets I've ever used all seemed harder than bulk rivets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dball1020 View Post
    good stuff akma and thank you for the help i was reading some place else that mc masters rivets are really soft is this true?
    I do not know if they are harder or softer. See the post after yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcpookie View Post
    Ah the good 'ol drill press shaft reduction method Can't tell you how many of those I've done that way. A tip - be aware of the side of the press you are filing against. You can make the rivet walk out of the chuck if the teeth pull it downward. Also, you'll bugger up your file against the chuck or bugger up the chuck so be careful. Less pressure is better - they like to bend themselves out of the chuck with too much pressure.

    THe Mcmaster rivets I've ever used all seemed harder than bulk rivets.
    Thanks, yes I noticed the walking so I tightened at all three points on the chuck and I'm using light pressure. I am careful with the file next to the chuck. I reduce the end that was chucked manually. So far so good.

    I tried resizing the long rivets in the swaging plate but with poor results so it was on to the drill press. They were not coming out straight like the short ones.
    Last edited by akma; 01-08-2012 at 08:48 AM. Reason: spelling and additions

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    This is what I have look for here on gunco. I would like to make my oun rivets, just having a hard time findind the ASME speck on rivet hardness. Muttman

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    HMMMM lot of work to get a correct looking rivet to go on a non origional reciver, but i have to hand it to the guys who go all out to make a original as possable build. Nice work

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    HMMMM lot of work to get a correct looking rivet to go on a non origional reciver, but i have to hand it to the guys who go all out to make a original as possable build. Nice work
    Thanks 1biggun its first a pursuit of a more cost effective rivet not necessarily for authenticity. Let’s face it these only cost pennies a piece where as aftermarket ones cost $9 for 11 of them. For me I’m in no rush to finish my first build I just want to do my best and enjoy the ride. It is starting to become an obsession though because there are a lot of tools and jigs you have to make and invest in just to finish a build. Hopefully it will get faster and easier as I perfect it.

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    Good show! Now if SHTF and I need rivets I can make some myself.

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