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    Default US 9x39 Ammo

    I wanted to link to a thread I started about recreating the Russian 9x39 ammunition here with a well-appointed reloading bench.

    In short, I think it can be done. All this talk of 6.5 Grendel builds has my mind working overtime on building this cartridge. I do honestly believe it can be done and after talking to a few people it doesn't seem to bad - assuming I don't mind the reloading part of it.

    I'm open to all input...

    http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17086

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    Marty Emailed me with this response to my thread.

    "Taipan -

    Since I cannot post in GunCo and don't want to open yet another account for yet
    another forum, here are some pointers for some of the nay sayers over there.

    35 x 39 or 9mm PPC was looked at, as a matter of fact that is why we first did
    the 358 CQB based on the .30 Rem case. We avoided going with necking up
    standard x 39 cases to 9mm to avoid potential disaster due to someone chambering
    a 7.62x39 in that same rifle. Also, the case HAS to be improved to be able to
    take the 9mm bullet, so that means a PPC like profile and NEGATES the ability to
    use normal AK mags. Furthermore, it means either buying PPC brass or
    fireforming. Option 1 is expensive, option 2 laborious and expensive. That
    ruled out the 9 x 39 for us (it was the first round we considered)

    Also, read Fortier's comments from the field user. Good energy, lacking
    accuracy. This is partly due to the 9mm bullet design. THe 300 gr SMK has
    superb BC and can deliver MOA accuracy at 500 yards. Plus, what most folks
    don't know is that AP bullets are available for the .338 .... as well as that
    frangibles are being developed ...

    On forming the cases, all you do is take virgin 10mm, lube it and make ONE PASS
    in the FL sizing die and you're done. That should address the one person who
    ruled out the .338 for that. THe Leviathan is completely the opposite idea -
    small bullet at HV AND you have to get their custom brass. The 10mm brass is
    off the shelf. Reed Ammo is getting ready to sell loaded ammo.

    Custom barrels - ANY of the rounds mentioned, 9 x 39, 35 x 39, 338 Spectre are
    proprietary and can be gotten from one source only, unless you purchase the
    reamers. Then you still need someone to turn the blank and chamber it. Just
    buying a 35 Rem barrel gets you nothing ... nor just buying a blank ... you
    still need the reamer, hs gauges, etc. If you get the AK clone that takes AR
    mags with an adapter or something(there appears to be one because one customer
    mentioned going that route and we are making a custom RPK foreend for them for
    that reason) and use the SPC mags, you get 28 round capacity ...

    I would like to think that for these reasons the 338 Spectre beats the 9 x 39,
    the 35 x 39 or any other contender ....

    Dave Fortier even likes the Spectre, as does the chief engineer for Arsenal ..."
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    Boy. He's all over the place in that email. I respect his input on this project, but the reasons he rules this out are acceptable to me. But that's me. I have a machine shop.

    My motivation for exploring this are to reproduce a "true clone", even though that is a complete oxymoron!

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    Pook, do it. If for no other reason than you can. I like the custome stuff. I would be happy with a 7.62x25 AK. I think that hot load would make an excellent SMG. I know they exist, but I have never seen anyone build one.
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    I'm of the mind that the first 39mm of a 35 Rem chamber and fireformed X39 brass would be a good option. Could use shortened 35 Rem dies too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcan762
    Pook, do it. If for no other reason than you can. I like the custome stuff. I would be happy with a 7.62x25 AK. I think that hot load would make an excellent SMG. I know they exist, but I have never seen anyone build one.
    Funny you mention that - I've got a dozen PPSH mags that I want to put toward a "Vitiaz" build-up:

    http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/bizon/vitiazL.jpg

    http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/bizon/vitiazR.jpg

    Yeah I know that is a 9x19 SMG, but I've long considered a PPSH barrel pressed into service (pun intended) as an AK SMG.
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    Man, I would love to have a Vintorez clone. I really like the 7.62x25.
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    BRG3, my dad has the reloading bench (actually workshop) that will most definitely contain a forming die. I think I could even do all that but I'm really hesitant to invest in reloading stuff since I shoot mainly Euro (aka steel case) ammo. This will be the one thing I'll save the brass for, and I'm seriously considering a brass catcher too.

    Been doing some more research, and apparently a Mr. Mason Williams designed a .35x39 and wrote it up in Guns&Ammo in the 1998-99 time frame. It was a bench test type of conversion, and the conclusion reached was it is re-inventing the .30-.30 (all quoted from a reloading website) so no more attention was paid to it. I've had no luck digging up the article or any Guns & Ammo back issue data.

    I hate re-inventing the wheel when I know for a fact this road has been travelled before!
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    Ballistically reinventing the 30-30, maybe. But with 357 bullet selection at rifle velocities, it'll be one heck of a short range two or four legged game stopper! I thought it would be most useful in LE carbines where they have to put down crazy, drugged, dangerous people without caring for the Hague convention banning expanding bullets.

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    I totally agree! There ain't much info on the round, but I think an LE carbine would be an excellent use of it. I've considered getting ballistic gelatin mix and doing the whole deal with it - some ballistic gelatin photos would be *cool*
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