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    Default The Conversionless SAIGA conversion

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    NO PISTOL GRIP = NO CONVERSION NEEDED.
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    Just need to find a US made gas piston.

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    you either don't have a saiga, or haven't looked on the inside of yours.

    The trigger on a factory saiga will not work when you convert to a pistol grip configuation.
    A saiga with just the high cap magconversion does not require any US PARTS

    In order to install the pistol grip modifications are required.
    Let me see you swap the gas piston with no drilling - LMAO

    I suggest that the following US parts

    Tapco G2 FCG = 3 parts
    Gas Piston = 1 part
    Muzzle device = 1 part
    Pistol Grip = 1 part
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    Under Federal rules, there are no longer any "evil" features. Thus that would only be a state-by-state issue.

    That said, I want to clarify something for you - the parts count itself says no more than 10 imported parts. Take *any* AK rifle and count those parts. That's it! Now, what that means to you and I is the pistol grip and the muzzle attachment are new parts you are adding to that parts list. Federally, it doesn't matter if the muzzle is threaded or not - whether you put an attachment on the end of the muzzle does. Therefore, it is more accurate to use this rule of thumb:

    Pistol gripped Saiga WITH threaded muzzle = 6 US parts needed

    Pistol gripped Saiga WITHOUT muzzle attachment = 5 US parts needed

    HTH clarify things for you.

    Problem with the Saigas are the parts count gets really thin if you go the "full" conversion route. By "full" I mean an AK-101 conversion. You've really only got a few areas to lower the parts count - magazine parts, the piston, the FCG, the muzzle device, and the handguard. Most people doing this conversion are converting to folding stock, so that's one part you can't replace with a US clone.

    Here's how I'm doing my "full" AK-101 clone (folder) conversion:
    1/2/3 FCG
    4 Piston
    5 Pistol Grip
    6 Floorplate (using Galil mags)

    I looked at a K-Var handguard, but didn't want to spend $80 on a handguard just for one US part. Ditto for the '74 muzzle brake - the AKUSA brake is the "best" one and it is nearly $50. Maybe later I'll swap out those parts, but floor plates are much cheaper.

    Pics of my saga:
    http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK101/build.htm

    Look for Kev's AK-101 conversion, he's already done. He's fast on his builds - he must be a work-at-home mom or something!

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    Good info DrugRunR and hcpookie. Things are still very confusing even after the '94 ban sunsetted.
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    forget the 94 ban.. it doesn't exist anymore

    The problem you run into is the 1990 law 922(r)

    922 (r)
    The Imported Parts Law(1990)
    178.39 otherwise known as 922(r) 10 Foreign parts law on semiauto Rifles & Shotguns
    http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
    Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.
    (a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
    (b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
    (1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
    by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
    (2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of
    testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the
    provisions of Sec. 178.151; or
    (3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
    (c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

    (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
    (2) Barrels
    (3) Barrel extensions
    (4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
    (5) Muzzle attachments
    (6) Bolts
    (7) Bolt carriers
    (8) Operating rods
    (9) Gas pistons
    (10) Trigger housings
    (11) Triggers
    (12) Hammers
    (13) Sears
    (14) Disconnectors
    (15) Buttstocks
    (16) Pistol grips
    (17) Forearms, handguards
    (18) Magazine bodies
    (19) Followers
    (20) Floorplates
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrugRunR
    you either don't have a saiga, or haven't looked on the inside of yours.

    The trigger on a factory saiga will not work when you convert to a pistol grip configuation.

    In order to install the pistol grip modifications are required.
    Let me see you swap the gas piston with no drilling - LMAO

    I suggest that the following US parts
    I have a Saiga, and i DONT WANT a Pistol grip on it, never said i did and i am fully aware of the need to "move everything back".

    As far as "no drilling" for the gas piston, a slight oversight.

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    A saiga with just the high cap magconversion does not require any US PARTS
    Not being rude, but how do you know this? Someone on some gun board said he wrote the BATFE and they said it was necessary. Just looking for clarification is all.

    The whole point was I want to convert a Saiga to accept hi-cap/standard cap mags. BUT, i do not want to mess with any internals & i DO NOT want a pistol grip.

    So your saying all i need is the bullet guide & a file?

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    I think you'll have to deal with re-riveting the mag catch & new spacer,to get the mag all the way up in the gun.

    Plus, the feed ramp.

    Then use the Tapco/ProMag waffle.
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    Yes... that is exactly what I am saying.
    If you want the standard saiga but with the ability to accept high cap mags, then you do not need to use ANY US PARTS

    You do not need to change the mag catch either.
    I would use a dremel instead of a file, just take your time.
    You are talking about modifying the rifle to fit the mag correct?



    Modify the lugs (purple arrows)
    The bullet guide is shown by the blue arrow.


    keep in mind my information is based on a 223 saiga.
    Mileage may very when used on non-223 saiga's
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