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Thread: Is there a "dark side" to the SBR permit?

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    Default Is there a "dark side" to the SBR permit?

    Does getting an SBR permit (or tax stamp, or whatever it is technically called) mean that you grant the BATFE rights to freely enter the address listed on the form for "inspection" or whatever? (I believe there is something to that effect associated with a dealer/manufacturer license.)

    Looking at the price of an Krinkov kit, plus the $200 stamp, is enough of a discouragement, but if true, this would tip the scales toward "Ah, forget it - I'll just make it a pistol."

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    An unlicensed individual owning NFA items does not grant ATF the power to do warrantless searches of your home.

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    True, true but have you considered the Patriot Act grants that as a blanket action for the powers that be?

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    One other thing (IIRC) is that to use the SBR/NFA firearm outside of the state it's registered, you need to request permission from the Tres. Dept. to transport it out of state.

    Not saying that this is fact but something I remember the NFA guy's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toten Kopf
    One other thing (IIRC) is that to use the SBR/NFA firearm outside of the state it's registered, you need to request permission from the Tres. Dept. to transport it out of state.

    Not saying that this is fact but something I remember the NFA guy's talking about.
    It is a fact. You have to submit a form and get clearance if you want to take your NFA toy out of state.

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    From Terrier
    Looking at the price of an Krinkov kit, plus the $200 stamp, is enough of a discouragement, but if true, this would tip the scales toward "Ah, forget it - I'll just make it a pistol."
    Wouldn't it still be a SBR even if you made a pistol out of it, sence it started as a rifle?

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    Pistols don't start as rifles. The reciever must be virgin, which means it must not EVER been built into a rifle. Then it may be built into a pistol. The law is writen as a pistol can be built into a rifle( ie.. THompson Contenders) but a rifle can never be built into a pistol. An SBR is defined as;

    A short barreled rifle (SBR) is a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches and overall length of less than 26 inches. Barrel length may be partially comprised of a permanently attached muzzle accessory (such as a compensator or flash suppressor).

    In the United States, an SBR is a BATFE regulated title II weapon and is legal for American civilians to own after the $200 transfer tax is paid and the BATFE form 4 is approved.

    It should be noted that the addition of a shoulder stock of any type to a handgun with a barrel of less than 16 inches constitutes an SBR, and such a modification can only be performed by a class II manufacturer or a civilian who has filed and had approved a BATFE form 1 for the manufacture of an NFA regulated weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbthntr64
    Pistols don't start as rifles. The reciever must be virgin, which means it must not EVER been built into a rifle. Then it may be built into a pistol. The law is writen as a pistol can be built into a rifle( ie.. THompson Contenders) but a rifle can never be built into a pistol.
    To take this a bit further, if you build an AK pistol and later on find it's not what you wanted, you can demill the receiver and rebuild a rifle kit on it.

    When you change jobs after that and find you need a 75-round drum capable pistol to carry in your briefcase, you can rebuild the pistol parts on it.


    Just like the Thompson-Center guys do it. It's a pistol first, and they go back and forth from pistol to rifle, depending on their needs.

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