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    I want to do some gunsmithing in my area. I have read a lot and the atf says that just about any modifications to a firearm on a regular basis makes you a manufacture. ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Manufacturers

    So, I would just get the type 7 to be safe but what about the Itar tax? From what I'm reading all 07s have to pay the ITAR even if you don't export anything, because you're a manufacturer. I see on forums where it is debated, but it seems to be clear the government wants there cut for nothing in return.

    Can any of you with an type 07 ffl confirm this?

    I have ran a busniess before and I now how much money it takes to make a profit I just want to get all the information I can.

    thanks, any advice is more than welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Knight View Post
    I want to do some gunsmithing in my area. I have read a lot and the atf says that just about any modifications to a firearm on a regular basis makes you a manufacture. ATF Online - Firearms - Frequently Asked Questions - Manufacturers

    So, I would just get the type 7 to be safe but what about the Itar tax? From what I'm reading all 07s have to pay the ITAR even if you don't export anything, because you're a manufacturer. I see on forums where it is debated, but it seems to be clear the government wants there cut for nothing in return.

    Can any of you with an type 07 ffl confirm this?

    I have ran a busniess before and I now how much money it takes to make a profit I just want to get all the information I can.

    thanks, any advice is more than welcome
    Dinky and ProjectGuns are O7 pretty sure Dark Knight. I am going too call Stan in a few here. He can advise on that stuff. I just give them my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4thIDvet View Post
    Dinky and ProjectGuns are O7 pretty sure Dark Knight. I am going too call Stan in a few here. He can advise on that stuff. I just give them my money.

    Yeah i'm hoping one of them will chime in and help me figure it out for sure. I would call ProjectGuns and ask, but they seem very busy and I don't want to bother them.

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    ATF sez making modifications to firearms the business/gunsmith owns and offering them for sale is manufacturing. If all you do is work on customer owned guns, the normal Type 01 is all you need. An OCCASIONAL mod done to your own guns, such as say add a scope to a rifle you purchased and are reselling, would also be covered. Only when it becomes a "regular part of your business" do you need the 07.

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    Not as disagreement with the kernel, I completely agree with his assessment. Just to show how a bureaucracy can pervert the meaning of a word:

    Definitions of manufacturing on the Web:

    * fabrication: the act of making something (a product) from raw materials; "the synthesis and fabrication of single crystals"; "an improvement in the manufacture of explosives"; "manufacturing is vital to Great Britain"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kernelkrink View Post
    ATF sez making modifications to firearms the business/gunsmith owns and offering them for sale is manufacturing. If all you do is work on customer owned guns, the normal Type 01 is all you need. An OCCASIONAL mod done to your own guns, such as say add a scope to a rifle you purchased and are reselling, would also be covered. Only when it becomes a "regular part of your business" do you need the 07.

    I agree, I think that is what ATF is trying to say. I wonder how many type 07 FFLs pay the ITAR tax. If it wasn't for that damn tax I could be a 07 and not have to worry about it. NOT worth the risk, of not paying tho.


    You can tell the government is trying to squeeze out the little man. Cutting down on what a gunsmith can do with a type 1 and increasing the ITAR tax by hundreds of dollars, with no exception for small businesses.

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