View Full Version : to stock up or to wait out, which have you chosen?
07-17-2008, 08:28 PM
It's past June, into July, almost August. Wolf is running $180/1000.
Still a lot more than I used to pay, but nowhere near the $300/1000 in June predicted early in this thread.
Nothing wrong in building a self-sufficient cushion but the end's not here yet. No runs on food, ammo's plentiful (if a bit expensive).
And that $16 brick of .22 at wallyworld? Goes bang each and every time in my 10/22, the lever Henry and my Cugir. No problem with primers, accuracy is fine for the rabbits and gophers. The overall best loads for SHTF, IMHO, are 12 gauge loads of various types and a few thousand .22.
Yes, .22 is good for small game, 12 gauge or birds/self defense. Large game is only good if you have a way to cure it or a large group to share it with.
No the end is not here yet! But we don't know when it will. Some things you just can't stock up on-like fresh milk. Keeping the right mindset that you can/will adapt will help a lot. Look at the amish, they live without modern comforts such as electric.
07-17-2008, 08:43 PM
I did a lot of my growing up in rural South Dakota, before the REC electrified the farms. Life on a farm without electricity is life similar to the Amish. We used gasoline implements, not horses though.
Electricity is rather easy to do without, if you don't require electric appliances. Propane burns without it, we also had propane-powered refrigeration. Lamps and candles provide light without electricity, the biggest benefit of electricity to everyday life is refrigeration for food preservation.
We did live off of home and commercial canning more so than today, and ice cream was a sometimes treat. With planning, iceboxes and lake ice can last a good while into the summer, and cool well water provides some of the amenities that hot and cold give to foods.
I don't watch TV (but do enjoy movies) and radio is a sometimes thing. Without electricity I'd have to give up the internet, but it wouldn't take long to "forget" it.
07-17-2008, 11:12 PM
AMMO producers and vendors got on the ball. But, it is being bought up. Supply in reserve was found and put out onto the market table. This smoothed the supply VS demand envelope temporarily. WOLF did keep their prices lower still ALL ELSE went up.
AMMOMAN who is the lowest vendor right now is fixing to go way up. Wideners has already started to raise XM193 price.
Nobody here said the END was going to be here about now. Just the price of ammo would be really higher. And, it just about is.
07-17-2008, 11:25 PM
Due to physical limitations, I am stocking up. I will have to stay put. I do not let anyone around me know what I have or don't have. If it should come to a SHTF situation and the zombies find me out, I will defend my location to my best abilities. If the zombies start to over run me and I have a chance, I will also destroy what ever supplies I have left. Sorry, but I am selfish. ;)
07-17-2008, 11:37 PM
It really looked worse two months back when it did begin to slide. We learn to cope with things. MR and MRS YUPPIE still fill their SUV loaded with kiddos and the crapped up diapers @ $180.00/tank. Air conditioner running, Flat screen TV and kiddy video games all being run off of the vehicle alternator.
One fine day when you least expect it.
OBUNGA will step up to the plate and save us all, temporarily. McCain aint going to make it folks. The people with hands out will see to that during this election!
07-18-2008, 10:18 PM
What a nightmare this is all gonna be....
07-18-2008, 11:46 PM
One fine day, AMMO will no longer be getable.
Hell, your wife will pull out a gun and drop an intruder in your face before you know something is wrong.
A S&W 9mm pistol she knows very well!
It is the American way bros!
124 GR hollow points.
She did better than I did over on the CHL exam!
Better not piss a woman off who has a well stocked AR15 in a hiding place!
GOD I love a woman like this!!!!
Her AK is all set up with a stuffed 75 RND ROMY mag.
It don't get any better than this!!!!!!!!!!
07-28-2008, 05:01 AM
OIC... This must be the impending zombie apocalypse that I heard about on YouTube. Just remember to aim for their heads, the only way to kill a zombie is to destroy their brain or decapitate them.
About 11 years ago there was a lot of talk about this sort of thing happening. I went to a Mormon food center and put bulk food in #10 cans and stored it in a cool dry place. I got a plastic 55 gallon barrel and filled it with water, bought an expensive Katadyn water filter, a gas mask and all sorts of other things.
Recently I bought some rifles I wanted and some ammo because I just like those things and I wanted to get some before they became unavailable or too expensive. I still have a 55 gallon barrel of water and some really old bulk food in number #10 cans but I am really not that worried (except one of my neighbors knows about my rifles), but... I am really not worried about any "S" hitting any fan. I don't think that is going to happen. I just want to live the best life I can and have some fun.
Don't forget to stock up on chocolate.
07-28-2008, 09:22 AM
Well, according to the poll, popular opinion is that buying ammo now is the most prudent answer and I completely agree, This is not an issue of "the sky is falling" and I try to keep myself out of that midset because it's everywhere nowadays. I also stay away from the whole "..no more ammo anywhere, ever again.." argument, but agree with the basis of this. ASSUME that ammo will not be readily available in the future.
SO, with a volitile economy here at home and an even worse global climate, it SEEMS reasonable to me to buy NOW and buy a bit more than you may need or want. I suppose that if there was ever a time to buy, now would be it.
07-28-2008, 12:51 PM
We all just bounce ideas around to see who else has something else up their sleeve.
It is just common sense to buy up now rather than later if you can.
You see on CNN just about every day some kind of bombing or terror attack elsewhere in the world. The next time it happens here will strain society worse than the twin towers incident did.
It is comforting to know, a lot of us will be prepared to handle it and stand for our country. It also don't hurt to be in a good position to survive well. So, a lot of us are consoling ourselves in advance for what is to come.
07-28-2008, 08:37 PM
Just reasons to stock up on ammo.
1. in case of drastic price increase (already happening)
2. in case of limiting amounts of ammo you can buy
3. in case of firearms owner identification cards
4. in case ammo (or at lest certain cal.) is outlawed
Can you think of any more? Or better yet, can you give a good reason not to?
Stocking up on other things is not a bad ideal either. Have you ever been really snowed in? Like when you can't see out the upper story windows or open doors because of the snow.
07-28-2008, 11:09 PM
Its going to have to be a team effort with people of like mind, theres no way you can operate 24/7, you have to have friends and family ready to help. Ever think about getting some coal? its the only energy source that will stay stable for long term, and makes fire wood last much longer, adhock coal stoves can be welded together pretty quick, Communications will be down to CB,s etc, 12 volt is the way to go, working that way, ammo is the number one thing to get now, with a good food supply to get you until you have a garden going, got to have one soon or later, got back from romania, they could turn off the light in alot of villiages there and nobody would really worry.
07-28-2008, 11:22 PM
When I was a kid many years ago, I remember folks picking up coal along the railroad tracks. Maybe could still do that now?
07-29-2008, 05:37 AM
I went to my local gun shop today, it's a pretty radical gun shop :) run by some pretty radical people. Anyway... I noticed that they had a whole bunch of Bulgarian 7.62x39 military ammunition in 700 rnd. sealed tin can containers ($159.00). I almost bought one because I like the hermetically sealed thing and the mil spec thing :) but I have been told that all Berdan primed military ammo from overseas is corrosive. There was a big sign over this stuff saying, "NON CORROSIVE." I am confused... is it corrosive or not?
It is my understanding that it is the primer that is the corrosive part.
I have some old steel core 7.62x39 and I researched it online and found out that according to a popular website, it was non-corrosive. They were saying that the corrosive ammunition had gray colored primers and the non-corrosive ammunition had gold colored primers. I was also going by the cartridge dates and manufacturers. I even have some old 7.62x39 tracer rounds. That is what happens when you never go shooting :)
07-29-2008, 05:48 AM
Although I was talking down the "scare" thing, I did very recently buy 3 assault rifles and 1000 rounds of ammunition, not a cheap thing to do either.
I also bought some chocolate :) enough to last me at least a week.
I figure if the "S" hits the fan it is going to involve a factory produced biological plague (the people in the know will have immunizations and we will all die), or no fuel, or no natural gas, or no water, etc.
And like someone said if the powers that be decided to wean off the general population and create mayhem it would take people working together to survive, "24/7" so I would probably get killed or starve or freeze to death or die of some fantastic new plague, but at least I have a weeks worth of chocolate :)
07-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Spread the word about this POLL.
07-31-2008, 12:24 AM
Talked to a police officer who went to Bosnia, to train their police force, said he would walk into rooms full of guns, but no ammo!!! Ammo was traded like gold! You need some good 24/7 friends to come by and set up shop if things get bad, I live in the country, and I'm from Eastern Kentucky, got the country boy thing down, but I also trained and currently a Para-medic part time. Thats my nitch! Communications will be important also, food, water, shelter, Medicines are important, stock up at least 90 days of prescrip meds,after 90 days of reduced rations, My blood pressure should be OK!!! Asprin, IBU, etc... good to have also, got a good first aid Kit??? When things happen simple wounds can get infected, and your voted off the Island by God!!! I'm a fromer Marine, so 1 good 1000 yard rifle is a must, Not to snipe people, but just to let them know you have the capability, and a good buffer zone, 24/7 (Friends Remember) Were Americans, we can adapt,improvise and overcome, Remember what sounds when the s--t hits the fan? (MARINE) good people to have around, unless you have teenage daughters.
07-31-2008, 07:57 AM
Agreed, that iodine, several bottles of alcohol, bandages q-tips aspirin and other analgesics would be smart to store and rotate stock.
My wife and I always keep a , well pharmacy pretty much of everything from aspirin to simethicone to zinc supplements. My mother is a Dr and I have SOME limited medical knowledge myself and we always keep some anatomy books in our collection as well as drug handbooks.
Multi-vitamin supplements are a good idea to have around because after the first 90, you may not have access to fresh fruits and veggies. To keep from getting scurvy or some other vitamin deficiency, multi-vitamins may stave the effects off for a bit longer.
07-31-2008, 12:53 PM
You forgot about one very IMPORTANT medicine.
B E E R !!!!!
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
Oh yeah! LOL. I've been on a scotch kick lately and I'm not sure why.
Normally I like the bourbon, but the scotch took me by surprise.
I got a bottle of JW black this weekend and hammered it with the help of a friend or two. Cigars were blazing!!!!
Certain alcohols, like vodka and the like can be used for other things that just having a good time. So I can see keeping spirits around my home, thats gonna be my excuse anyways
07-31-2008, 05:34 PM
I have a good bit of JIM BEAM on hand.
That stuff is great for cleaning out cuts and pokes from sharp metal or glass.
Then, A real good swig settles down the old pain nerves to a gentler roar.
08-01-2008, 04:48 AM
Rum, it goes good with chocolate.
I was looking at MREs today, they aren't wrapped in the brown plastic like I remember, instead they are in clear plastic but in 12 ration boxes for 60 dollars, Mil spec. Is that a good deal? (no shipping it is local)
08-01-2008, 08:28 AM
I think that those are the aftermarket type or some of the new packing of actual US MRE compoenents for resale. If you like them, thats all that really matters. If you won't eat a ration, it is of no use to you.
Rum is good for disinfecting, but it seems to cause hangovers the next day if you drink more than you used to clean the wound;<).
08-05-2008, 02:41 AM
08-05-2008, 02:42 AM
When I was a kid many years ago, I remember folks picking up coal along the railroad tracks. Maybe could still do that now?
I can..... you would be surprised!