View Full Version : Not an ak, but a vz.
01-02-2010, 02:38 PM
Finally finished my custom vz! This wasnt the easiest build to complete, seemed like every corner had some sort of road block, the last requiring me to switch receivers due to some out of spec dimensions.
Thanks to Chopper and 1biggun for all the help. 1biggun did an awesome job turning the barrel down and chambering it. Chopper supplied a sizing reamer and empty shells to help 1biggun chamber the barrel.
Obiwanbonjovi's (akforum)FCG worked perfectly! Next custom build I'll def. order another set from him.
My modified AR-15 mag worked better than expected, I honestly thought I would have some tweaking to do.
I have to go back and touch up the paint in a few spots, but heres a few pics of this 6.5 grendel vz and one std fixed stock rifle for the hell of it.
For paint I used Socom black on the barrel and combat green for all the other parts. The green is a bit darker than I wanted, but its good for now.
As 1biggun can attest, this was one tough build, especially at the end when the barrel wouldn't press into the first receiver. Thank god I had an extra!
01-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Nice job, I like the way you finnished the stock and hand-guards.
01-02-2010, 03:24 PM
Thanks, I made those out of cocobolo for the grendel build. No stain was used, that was only top coated with clear spar varish. The stock is about an inch longer than the factory stock and the pistol grip and hand guards are a bit wider. PIA to whittle out by hand, but I was bored and no one else was offering real wood stocks for the vz.
01-02-2010, 03:46 PM
obiwanbonjovi - Gunco.net (http://www.gunco.net/forums/members/obiwanbonjovi/)
He's an outstanding member here.
01-02-2010, 04:52 PM
Cool, didn't know he was on here, I knew he frequented many gun forums but hadn't seen a post by him here. Regardless his parts were awesome.
01-03-2010, 02:46 AM
That's a cool build....never saw one like it before.
What kind of receiver did you use?
01-03-2010, 11:37 AM
It's built on an ORF receiver. I've done a couple now, and as long as you take your time they turn out well. I treat all my builds the same, hand fit all the parts, similar to a 1911 pistol build.
I did encounter a few roadblocks, and 1biggun can confirm that I was pissed off and should have started with this receiver in the first place.
Oh well now I get to try a vz re-weld.
01-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Very sweet build. Than one looks like a family heirloom :)
01-03-2010, 11:58 AM
It's built on an ORF receiver.
Where'd you get one cheap? I suddenly happened into $300 and would much rather buy a VZ receiver rather than trying to reweld one with nothing to use to get measurements off of...
Amazing how little there is to be found in the way of people talking about VZ recievers, I hear there was a group buy a while ago at AKforum, but I don't wanna have to register to see it. I remember hearing there were some good receivers, and some ones that were improperly heat treated.
01-03-2010, 01:20 PM
They had issues with their early receivers from what I've read. Something about the feedramps either not being machined or being machined low. All my ORF receivers were from the later batches.
Basically I took my time and hand fitted the component parts and deburred and or smoothed out the surfaces. I have almost 5k fired through my first ORF based rifle with out one rifle related issue. I had 3 bad boxes of steel cased wolf, that was underpowered and wouldn't cycle the action on every round. But it didn't work in my romy or the mini 30 I used to own either. So I chalked that up to ammo it was all the same lot # Mostly it was just common sense stuff. For example, I noticed heavy gouges on the cases after hand cycling. I traced it to sharp edges on the underside of the receiver lugs. I then compared them to the stub and noticed that the lugs on the stub were beveled, so I went back with a dremel and beveled the edges. I did the same thing to a d-technik build as well.
As for the heat treat, I never heard of an issue with their vz receivers, I think they had problems with the galil's.
I got a few on different group buys that were going on. They are selling them now for 200.00 direct at ORF no group buy needed.
CNCWarrior will also be coming out with vz receivers sometime this year. If I remember right it will be around march. Those are supposed to be almost a dead ringer for the actual mil-spec receiver . Meaning the feed ramps will be radiused like the originals, not flat like the D-techniks or ORF's. Those will probably be priced about the same as the d-techniks or hopefully closer to what he's asking for his milled ak receivers.
Right now I have one messed up receiver and a good stub, so I'm going to attempt sometime in the future to do a reweld. So I'll have a D-technik reweld eventually.
01-03-2010, 08:45 PM
alfery1967 jumped through some hurdels to get to were this is. I cant wait for a accuracy report on this and see how that barrel works. I like the looks of the 18" barrel it still has a balanced look and should be a accurate shooter
01-03-2010, 09:04 PM
They are selling them now for 200.00 direct at ORF no group buy needed.
Thanks, when I looked a while ago it was something ridiculous like $600... I'll check again. Oops, I was looking at OOW. At ORF it is 330, so just out of my price range. I'll have to look into the CNCwarrior ones. Thanks for the info.
486, I just bought 2 more ORF vz58 receivers last week direct for $200. Call them.
01-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Yeah, the sale price isn't listed on their website.
01-03-2010, 10:35 PM
BTW I'll try to get the range report next weekend, couldn't make it there today.
I'll tell ya I was pissed about the first receiver, but now that the rifle passed the function test I'm feeling a little better.
01-11-2010, 11:15 PM
01-11-2010, 11:41 PM
Too cold to make it to the range last weekend. Austin had temps in the 20's and it was windy. Thought I left that cold weather behind when I moved here from Pa.
Hope to get out this weekend, I'm really itching to see how accurate it shoots, now that I know it works.
01-18-2010, 05:27 PM
How about now? :biggrin:
01-18-2010, 07:11 PM
OOOPS. My bad! I went out on saturday. Still fine tuning the sights, but was getting about 1" 1/4 groups at 100 yards. That was using wolf ammo. Not bad, but I think I can do better after I get some quality ammo and play around with it some more. Most importantly it functioned great, no feed issues, short cycles or any other problem. I wasnt really looking for a sub MOA rifle, just wanted something a bit different! lol
Only pisser was the barrel got a heavy scuff in the finish and I'll have to touch it up. Now I'm out of ammo and have to wait for my order to show up until I go out with it again.
01-18-2010, 08:22 PM
How does it treat the brass? How far does it throw it? You are using iron sights right, no side rail with a pso yet. :)
01-18-2010, 08:32 PM
Throws the brass just like a std vz. No real diff there. Yes iron sights for now. I believe rausch is coming out with a side rail system for the vz. I'm waiting to see what it looks like before I buy any railed upper handguards or try to adapt an ak side mount to it.
But it will have a scope in the future, my eyes arent as good as they used to be! lol
About the only diff was it kicked a bit harder, but not much.
01-22-2010, 09:26 PM
That is a really super Vz conversion.
I sure like how it turned out.
Hard work pays off, nice job.
01-23-2010, 12:42 PM
Excellent job. Never got into the VZs. The damn Aks have me broke enough. :)
01-24-2010, 10:17 AM
Thanks guys. My bank account isn't too happy either! lol