View Full Version : krink / 74 problems help pleezz
03-02-2005, 02:49 PM
my brother inlaw and i recently started a contest between each other too build one custom kalasnikov rifles . he wantes to do a krinkov build but has recently ran into a confuseing spider web of b.a.t.f rumors
he wants to use a bulgarian kit on his romainian 74 is there any way this can be done legally
03-02-2005, 02:57 PM
is the serial # on the trunion or the receiver on the Romainian.
If it is on the trunion, then you can't move it.
I am building a krink using a Saiga 223 as a donor rifle.
I am having the factory saiga barrel turned down to krink specs.
Romanian as in SAR? that has the serial # on the trunion.
Check with jnewt (user on here) and ask him.
I think he was suppose to check with the ATF concerning this.
On my saiga, I never removed the trunion so I don't have a issue with the ATF.
03-02-2005, 04:07 PM
your best option is to write the ATF technical branch.........I recall that gunmiths like INRANGE, in the pass have used chinese AKs as donor receivers to build a "krinkov" on them.......I believe that the serial number on the chinese AKs were on the trunion as well.......but again your best bet is to write the ATF branch, something like this I wouldn't take the word of someone on a gun board as to the legality of it
03-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Yes, they have used chinese ak's as donors, but they keep the trunion and use a barrel bushing on the new barrel.
You are 100% safe if you use the original trunion that came with the receiver if there is NO serial # on the receiver.
03-02-2005, 11:09 PM
Heck you could sleeve the barrel and press it to fit, and eliminate any worries whatsoever.
03-03-2005, 07:39 PM
one question answered and another is raised unless i'm mistacken there is a b.a.t.f regulation that requires a barrel to be at least 16 inches long?
03-03-2005, 08:26 PM
Yes sir. If the barrel on a RIFLE isn't 16" it is an Short Barreled Rifle; which requires a $200 tax stamp. If you are building a pistol it doesn't matter.
03-03-2005, 10:48 PM
oh cool thas somthin u can get done for a project like this
200 hundred dollars sheeezzsshh
03-04-2005, 07:26 PM
[QUOTE=DrugRunR]Yes, they have used chinese ak's as donors, but they keep the trunion and use a barrel bushing on the new barrel.Why would you need to bush a barrel when chinese trunions are 19mm and all the other barrels are 22 or 23mm. If anything you would need to turn the barrels down.
03-04-2005, 08:35 PM
Why would you need to bush a barrel when chinese trunions are 19mm and all the other barrels are 22 or 23mm. If anything you would need to turn the barrels down.I was thinking of a 22mm barrel in a 23mm trunion. Bushing is only one way - I had to do this when I got dremel-happy with polishing my AMD trunion and literally reamed it larger than 23mm - probably 23.5mm or something, but it became a slip-fit. THe barrel would fall out if you pointed it downward.
Now I suspect that much clearance would make a Bulgy 22mm barrel behave the same in a Romy 23mm trunion. Going on that assumption, you could use the same trick I did to fix my loose AMD trunion - weld a few beads along the axis of the barrel and file down - cautiously. If you do it correctly, the barrel won't be canted, or would be canted so slightly that you'll never notice. OTOH if, for example, you welded a bead only along one side, I would expect the barrel to be slightly canted in relation to the trunion (and obviously the receiver). It would WORK, but would not look pretty.
Look about halfway down for the barrel fix...
03-04-2005, 11:22 PM
I was thinking on the maddi conversion when I said the sleeves.
You are correct that they turn the barrel's down on the chinese conversions.
But never the less they do the conversions without changing the trunion AND he moves the info to the bottom in front of the mag well.
Go look on KevinM4's saiga he just did himself.
He moved the info to the bottom of the receiver.
If it was illegal, I am sure the ATF would be all over him.
Don't tell me they don't read here, because I am sure they do.
03-05-2005, 01:43 AM
Didnt B-West do a bunch of guns using thier own receivers and Chinese parts or was that someone else? I remember seeing some in Shotgun news a few years back but forget who it was.About the same time there were a couple of cpmpanies offering AK pistols one was Mars and I dont recall the name of the other one but they were made out of Krink parts.They were about $400 I think .Too much I thought then.I did shoot one of the Mars pistols that a guy I knew bought.I didnt ever think I would end up making something similar as I really didnt like the Mars I thought it was heavy and loud. How time changes opinions.
03-07-2005, 11:18 PM
ok yall have been a reel help just a quick run down use the stock trunion (it does have the cerial # on it ) krink barrel,gas pistonand tube and any other furniture
do i get the 200 dollar tax stamp before or after the krink is finished to i have to take it to some sort of technical office fore this?
03-08-2005, 05:15 AM
The original serial number really doesn't matter. It is what is on the receiver that matters. If you are using a flat you will need to put one on there somewhere I believe. You MUST do what is referred to as a Form 1 BEFORE building an SBR, I will attach the form below:) I believe it involves getting a Letter from local law enforcement, and then submitting your money and application. Which is far better than the alternative:D
03-08-2005, 09:33 AM
What he is talking about is a bulgarian kit on his romainian 74 (SAR 2)
On those the serial # is on the TRUNION, not the receiver. As such that means that he will have to keep the trunion and the receiver together since the combination of the 2 is the FFL counted part.
You can build a SBR without a signed form 1 but you must attached (permanent) a extension (fake can). Once your paperwork comes back then you can remove the can.
(1) GET FORMS
(a) Download form 1 from HERE (http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53201.pdf)
(b) Download the Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C 922(g)(5)(B) (citizen certification) HERE (http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f533020.pdf)
If you download the forms, then they must be DOUBLESIDED. You can not TAPE them or GLUE them together.
Go HERE (http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm) and order the following forms
F 1 (5320.1) - Application to Make and Register a Firearm
F 5330.20 - Certificate of Compliance With 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B)
FBI FD-258LE - NFA, Imports ORI DCATF0100 (FINGERPRINT CARDS)
THEY SEND THEM TO YOU FOR FREE :-)
(2) Go to local sheriff office or JAIL. Ask about getting fingerprints done.
Get them done. You can use their cards, but have to change the info on it, OR I reccommend using the CORRECT ones listed above. Be prepared to pay $10 to $30 to get the cards done. Mine were done for free.
(3) Fill out 2 SETS of everything.
(4) Take Form 1 copies (2 of them) to the CLEO (chief law enforement officer) to get signed off. Be prepared to wait. Mine took 10 days to sign them.
(5) Go to local 1 hour photo, I used walgreens. Get 2 Passport Photos.
(6) Wait for CLEO to return signed forms
(7) Once forms are signed, do the check list
(a) Form 1 filled out and signed, double check EVERYTHING
(b) Citizen Form filled out and signed, not much to do but sign it
(c) fingerprint cards- printed and has the CORRECT info in the FBI block
(d) Photos Attached to Form 1 (I used clear tape)
(e) personal check filled out and signed ($200 per weapon)
(8) If checklist is done then put it all in a envelope and mail off. I did priority mail with del confirmation. Remember 2 sets of EVERYTHING
Now, before you ask, Why use a personal check instead of a money order or Bank check... Simple.. TRACKING. Same with why do Del confirmation when you ship it. From what I read, it is 2 to 3 weeks from date check is cashed to when it shows up in the system. I would wait 3 weeks from date the check is cashed to call. The number you call is (202) 927-8330. You must have the Serial # of the weapon or weapons you are checking on. They will not help you unless you have this information. On my check, I put "FORM 1 - #000xxxx" in the FOR block. Once the check was cashed by them, I printed it up from my ONLINE banking statement. This way I have both the serial # of the weapon and the date Cashed all on one piece of paper.
I sent my Form 1 to them Jan 18. It cleared my bank on Feb 14th. On a side note, the day the deposited my check, they deposited 13 other checks.
I know this because my check as "13 checks" on it.
When you call you will get one of 4 responses
Not in system or Not in Process - means they haven't assigned your paperwork yet
IN PROCESS- this means it has been assigned to a agent, it does not mean that they are working on it. It can sit in this spot for MONTHS
APPROVED - Do the happy dance, expect your Form 1 back to you in under 2 weeks from when you get this answer.
DISAPPROVED - break out the beer and start drinking. This means one of 2 things - Your paperwork was not 100% right OR the FBI shot you down
Most of the time your paperwork is checked before they cash your check, so either you fingerprint cards were CRAP and they couldn't read them, OR you got some history that the FBI doesn't like.
Well I think that about covers the SBR/Silence/AOW questions.
03-08-2005, 11:19 AM
Nice post Charles! Very informative and detailed.
THAT SHOULD BE A STICKY.
03-22-2005, 01:43 AM
ok boy's thanks u've been a great help turns out its a cur 2 post ban and after reading these posts im not sure hes gonna go thru with that build but the contest has begun im baseing mine off of an amd-65 and seeing how tackticak i can get with it let the fustration begi