Gunco.net - General Discussion Lobby http://www.gunco.net/forums General chit-chat, current events, news and all others... en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:07:14 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.gunco.net/forums/blackteal/misc/rss.jpg Gunco.net - General Discussion Lobby http://www.gunco.net/forums Coonan FALs http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/coonan-fals-51380/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:20:55 GMT I heard Dan Coonan is back with type III FALs. I found them at Coonan - Welcome to Coonan! (http://www.coonaninc.com). I heard Dan Coonan is back with type III FALs. I found them at Coonan - Welcome to Coonan!. ]]> General Discussion Lobby MarketingMan http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/coonan-fals-51380/ Wanted: Windows 7 firearms/weapons themes http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/wanted-windows-7-firearms-weapons-themes-51377/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:12:01 GMT Has anyone seem any good Windows 7/Vista themes with firearms or military vehicles/weapons? Anything, any brand or weapon type, even tanks? It would be nice to have a mortar sound when I get a new email... it will make me duck! LOL Just want something cool for my computer. :kewlpics: It would be nice to have one for AK family... Has anyone seem any good Windows 7/Vista themes with firearms or military vehicles/weapons? Anything, any brand or weapon type, even tanks? It would be nice to have a mortar sound when I get a new email... it will make me duck! LOL
Just want something cool for my computer. :kewlpics:

It would be nice to have one for AK family... ]]> General Discussion Lobby shoot-n-scoot http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/wanted-windows-7-firearms-weapons-themes-51377/ <![CDATA[Remington's (known) DEFECTIVE trigger system: Approx. 4 mill]]> http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/remingtons-known-defective-trigger-system-approx-4-mill-51376/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:09:46 GMT APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle - Dallas, Texas Lawyers &ndash; Drinnon Law Firm

Defective Remington 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

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Remington’s Defective Trigger System
A Historical Summary

Extensive Claims and Litigation History

1.Remington has been aware that its bolt-action rifles will sometimes fire absent a trigger pull.

2.To date, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints of unintended discharge for the Model 700 and 710 alone. Over 100 injured individuals have sued Remington over the same defective design. Remington and its insurers have paid to settle most of the claims rather than admit the defect and pay the cost of a recall and refit thereby leaving millions of persons at risk of their lives and those of their family and friends. click on here to review Remington memo January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


3.Ignoring thousands of customer complaints, Remington refused to recall its rifles, install a new trigger, or warn its customers of the potential danger. (click on here to review Remington memo dated January 2, 1979 wherein Remington admits to its own defect and recognizes the danger to its customers)


4.Instead, Remington designed the new 710 (introduced in 2001) using the very same defective M700 fire control.


5.Not surprisingly, Remington has already received numerous complaints from its customers of unintended discharge, mirroring the complaint history of the 700.


The Defect

1.Remington’s trigger mechanism uses an internal component called a “connector” – a design component not used by any other rifle manufacturer. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.


2.The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts.


3.Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.


4.Remington’s defective fire control could have been redesigned to eliminate the harm or danger very inexpensively. There is no valid engineering reason why the successfully utilized connectorless designs could not have been used by Remington in its Model 700 and 710.


5.In fact, Remington has recently done just that for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its prior unsafe design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.

Jury Verdicts and Appellate Court Opinions of Remington’s Defective Fire Control

1.In Lewy v. Remington, 836 F.2d 1104, 1106-07 (8th Cir. 1988); the Eighth Circuit upheld a finding of punitive damages against Remington in 1985.


2.In Campbell v. Remington Arms Co., 1992 WL 54928 (9th Cir. 1992)(unpublished opinion); affirmed a jury verdict of $724,000 based on a fire on bolt closure, finding no error.


3.Later in 1992, the Texas Supreme Court, in Chapa v. Garcia, specifically describes Remington’s fire control as “defective.”


4.In 1994, a Texas jury rendered a verdict in Collins v. Remington after Glenn Collins lost this foot to a Model 700 accidental discharge. The jury found that the fire control was defective and awarded a $15 million in exemplary damages. The total verdict was in excess of $17 million. (click on here to review Business Week article entitled “Remington Faces A Misfiring Squad”)


5.The verdicts stopped with the Collins verdict. After that, Remington settled all claims. Instead of recalling or replacing the defective fire control, Remington has quietly paid almost $20 million to settle claims out of court, finally replacing the fire control only in 2007.
Remington’s Redesign Efforts After the $17 million Collins Verdict

1.After Collins, Remington again contemplated a recall and again recognized the need to redesign its fire control. Internal documents detail Remington’s extensive knowledge of the problem. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
Timeline of Redesign Efforts

1.In 1995, Remington openly acknowledges the need to “fix” the fire control and “eliminate” ‘Fire on Safety Release’ malfunction.”


2.In 1997, when Remington embarked on the design of the Model 710, documents reflect Remington’s desire not to include the M700 “Walker” –based fire control in the M710.


3.Remington designers then developed several connectorless fire controls for the M710. Remington documents clearly show that the new designs were favored (“The new concept barrel and fire control analysis was complete with excellent results.”)


4.However, the designs met their downfall during Remington’s economic analysis. Project spending was put on hold in May 1998 “until economics and project is approved.” That approval never came. In August 1998, the safer designs were abandoned due to an “estimated cost increase.”


5.Remington instead decided to pull the unsafe Model 700 fire control off the shelf and use it in the new Model 710 to “eliminate development cost and time.”


6.As Remington began its internal testing of the new Model 710 (with the old Model 700 fire control installed), Remington, knowing the history of the design, warned its internal testers of the possibility of inadvertent discharge;
For each of the four rounds in the magazine the tester will close the bolt “smartly” –(i.e. as quickly as practical” –and be prepared for the rifle to inadvertently follow down or fire.

No such warning is provided to customers that purchase the Model 700 or 710, nor was such a warning given to the Barber parents, whose son died as the result of the trigger defect. (click on here to review excerpts from – CBS News 2001)

1.In 2000, a Model 710 rifle fired on bolt closure during Remington’s testing. Remington’s own expert witness in litigation admits that Remington “could not nail down” the reason for the discharge without a trigger pull.


2.In preparation for the introduction of the M710 to market, Remington Consumer Team Meeting minutes from 2001 reveal that Remington planned for personal injuries of its customers as a result of inadvertent discharges from Model 710 rifles:
Safety/Injury Calls and the Model 710 – Ken – If a consumer calls with a safety concern, (i.e. FSR, fires when closed, personal injury or property damage, etc), these calls AND firearms go to Dennis or Fred

1.Predictably, Remington began receiving reports of injury and accidental discharge from the Model 710 almost identical to the thousands of complaints it had received from the Model 700 soon after its release.

APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DEFECTIVELY DESIGNED REMINGTON TRIGGERS ARE STILL BEING TRUSTED AND USED BY THE UNSUSPECTING AMERICAN SPORTSMAN.
__________________ ]]> General Discussion Lobby Double Ott http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/remingtons-known-defective-trigger-system-approx-4-mill-51376/ 550lb. MAN DIES IN RECLINER. http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/550lb-man-dies-recliner-51367/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:21:59 GMT 800 Pound South Carolina Man Dies After Getting Stuck in Recliner for 8 Months[/b]

Thursday, November 19, 2009
COLUMBIA, S.C. — When an ambulance brought Daniel Webb home from the hospital after he hurt his knee in March, paramedics warned the then 550-pound man he probably wouldn't be able to get up from his recliner if they put him there, his wife said.
Webb told them to leave him there anyway. He would sit in that recliner, slowly dying, for the next eight months. Finally, paramedics were called back to his Greenwood home on Wednesday because he was in a lot of pain.
Webb's body was physically stuck to the power recliner and firefighters had to cut him from the chair to take him to the hospital. He died a few hours later, his body covered with sores and a "very bad odor," according to a police report.
Webb, 33, didn't ask for help for all those months, because he was ashamed and didn't have health insurance, said his wife, Ada. He slept and used the bathroom in his chair and she cleaned it every day. The former preacher would post sermons online from the chair, and it wasn't long before he decided he was ready to go home to the Lord, she said.
"After he sat there in that one spot for a week, he was embarrassed. It was like he already knew what was going to happen," Ada Webb said.

Webb's mother was the one who placed the final call to paramedics. Not only did crews have to cut apart the chair, but they had to cut a hole in the wall of the couple's mobile home about 70 miles west of Columbia to get him out. A police report said he weighed about 800 pounds, but his wife said he was closer to 500 pounds.
The hospital told Daniel Webb's wife he died from a heart attack, she said. The coroner's office isn't investigating the death and referred all questions to Greenwood County deputies, who sent their report, but didn't respond to a phone message.
Webb died on the couple's second anniversary. They met four years ago on MySpace, and Ada Webb said she didn't see a man who weighed more than 500 pounds, but instead saw a guy who loved the Lord and had a big heart.
"I had the worst anniversary yesterday I ever had, but I know he had the best one he ever had because he's with Jesus now," she said.
Daniel Webb drove school buses for nearly 15 years, until his weight made it impossible. His health kept getting worse, and Ada Webb said she begged hospital officials to keep him after doctors treated his knee injury in March. But the couple had no way to pay and were sent home.
For his first few weeks home, Daniel Webb was open to the idea of seeing someone. Getting to them was the problem.
"Everybody kept telling us, if you get here, we'll help you. We didn't have no way of getting him up, and nobody was willing to come help us," Ada Webb said. "He just kind of said, 'it's in God's hands' at that point."
Daniel Webb spent the rest of his days playing with his four dogs and talking about religion to other people on the Internet.
"I did all I could for him. He loved me with a passion," his wife said. "The only reason he held on to life here was for his family because he wanted to go home and be with the Lord." ]]> General Discussion Lobby 4thIDvet http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/550lb-man-dies-recliner-51367/ refuse to go to bed an get arrested and tazed http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/refuse-go-bed-get-arrested-tazed-51361/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:32:12 GMT Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Girl - November 18, 2009


i'm confused here what crime exactly was a 10 year old committing ? she didn't want to go to bed an mommie wasn't going to deal with it so she calls the cops ? WTF is this ?

this is pathetic ]]> General Discussion Lobby PuppyChow http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/refuse-go-bed-get-arrested-tazed-51361/ U.S. Flag Code Changed... http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/u-s-flag-code-changed-51356/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:49:05 GMT I don't know if this has been addressed before but in April of 2009 the U.S. Flag Code was changed.

Previously, only personnel in uniform could salute the flag during the National Anthem/Pledge of Allegiance ect. The rest of us removed our hat (if wearing) and or place our right hand over our heart.

Now all veterans can salute the flag. No longer do you have to place your hand/hat over your heart.

You’ve got to try it. It feels great!!!!!!

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...df/RL30243.pdf ]]> General Discussion Lobby Toten Kopf http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/u-s-flag-code-changed-51356/ <![CDATA[Obama's continued disrespect to vets.]]> http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obamas-continued-disrespect-vets-51354/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:21:14 GMT Taken Veterans Day 11/11/09 at the Ceremony in Arlington National Cemetery Taken Veterans Day 11/11/09 at the Ceremony in Arlington National Cemetery
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]]> General Discussion Lobby jrs http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obamas-continued-disrespect-vets-51354/ Yugo M57 Tokarev question http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/yugo-m57-tokarev-question-51342/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:39:42 GMT I have a Yugoslavian M57 Tokarev chambered in 7.62x25. I am looking for spare 9rd mags. Anyone know where I could find them? I am also wanting to know that if I cut and re-weld some 8rd polish mags, will they work in my yugo? I'm not sure if the original mag springs could be reused in this case. What should I do? Anyone know of any other mag spring that would work? The height of the spring on the polish mags are shorter than the stock yugo mags. Any help would be appreciated. ]]> General Discussion Lobby Budda Budda Jam http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/yugo-m57-tokarev-question-51342/ Hey Everybody!!!! http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/hey-everybody-51340/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:10:43 GMT Look at this lying piece of trash propaganda from our wonderful controlled media YouTube - Oath keepers Featured on CNN Guardians of The Republic :) ]]> General Discussion Lobby soumi http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/hey-everybody-51340/ <![CDATA[Hero's or criminals?]]> http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/heros-criminals-51334/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:19:09 GMT 3 US Army sergeants kill Iraq terrorists Wives say sergeants are heroes, not criminals - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/18/army.tapes.wives/index.html) 3 US Army sergeants kill Iraq terrorists

Wives say sergeants are heroes, not criminals - CNN.com ]]> General Discussion Lobby Gunco http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/heros-criminals-51334/ Somali Pirates vs Maersk Alabama - Round 2 http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/somali-pirates-vs-maersk-alabama-round-2-a-51328/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:16:26 GMT U.S. ship thwarts second pirate attack - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/11/18/maersk.alabama.pirates/) Does this mean that armed ships are... gasp... safer at sea than unarmed ships? Seems like unwarranted escalation by the victim. Mark U.S. ship thwarts second pirate attack - CNN.com

Does this mean that armed ships are... gasp... safer at sea than unarmed ships? Seems like unwarranted escalation by the victim.

Mark ]]> General Discussion Lobby Markp http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/somali-pirates-vs-maersk-alabama-round-2-a-51328/ <![CDATA[Obama's deference to world leaders... the real story.]]> http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obamas-deference-world-leaders-real-story-51324/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:08:20 GMT Think Obama's just bowing and scraping to try and show the United States subservience to world opinion ? Think again.

OBAMA BOWS TO SAUDI KING | Weekly World News



But seriously though, WTH is this guy doing ?

]]> General Discussion Lobby o.d. ak http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obamas-deference-world-leaders-real-story-51324/ 1500 yard sniper shot VERY VERY GRAPHIC http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/1500-yard-sniper-shot-very-very-graphic-51321/ Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:18:08 GMT
DAMM THATS NASTY I HOPE THIS WAR IS OVER BEFORE MY SON IS OLD ENOUGH TO GO. THE SOURCE OF THIS IS UNKNOWN TO ME AND THIS MAY BE FAKE.


Right Between The eyes At 1500 yards, that's damn near a mile away.

[This is a highly trained American sniper with his 50 caliber rifle which is his best friend. His assignment is to protect the 'Green Zone' in Baghdad ,Iraq (basically his job is prevent the terrorists from sneaking into the compound).
Below, we see AchmedOne day Achmed tried to breach the perimeter and got tagged from 1500 yards out. Note the vest laden with explosives! Achmed won't be doing this anymore[
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]]> General Discussion Lobby 1biggun http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/1500-yard-sniper-shot-very-very-graphic-51321/ <![CDATA[China doesn't like "ObaMao" - ROFL]]> http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/china-doesnt-like-obamao-rofl-51318/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:14:47 GMT I had to laugh out loud when I saw this image and the friction it caused:

This one captioned "grorious reader"




Apparently the Chinese don't like an analogy between the leader of their Communist revolution and the leader of ours! I just have to laugh at this.


washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines



More here

obamao - Bing


Obamao T-shirts - $1.99 Standard Shipping! | TShirtHub.com

I have to say, some of those images are pretty darn funny! :D ]]> General Discussion Lobby hcpookie http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/china-doesnt-like-obamao-rofl-51318/ OBAMA ? http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obama-51317/ Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:53:12 GMT Obama is a fake he has no control over his actions. Do you really think someone could be that stupid? No , the same as Bush or any other so called "leader" of ours. They are a bunch of evil puppets. If you don't understand this then watch this video, and don't say "I don't agree with this" two minutes in and then shut it off , watch the whole thing. You don't have to agree with it all , but there is a lot of truth to this video. Think about it research it , don't turn to the media for the truth they are liars. Think for yourself. look at what others are saying instead of turning a blind eye and never seeing. YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version .
"What good fortune for those in power that people do not think - Adolf Hitler ]]> General Discussion Lobby soumi http://www.gunco.net/forums/f113/obama-51317/