New ATF regs?

[MCQ1]

I'm not thinking of individuals. Like I said, I wasn't aware that a business that camo paints, blues, parks, or plates a firearm had to have a manufacturer's license. Just wondered if this was a new regulation.

[MUSIBIKE]

A business which makes a living from this would best be in a position with a license. Assembling and disassembling firearms to finish them is a manufacturing process. So, if it is done for a profit and, in quantity, a license should be required.

[MCQ1]

I disagree. I can see needing an 01 to cover sending and receiving but I don't see where someone spraying a camo paint job on a turkey gun or taking that gun apart and putting it back together to facilitate the process has anything to do with manufacturing a firearm...for profit or not. Thats a pretty long stretch in my book...but I'm not the ATF or in the business of refinishing firearms.

[BigDdy31]

Originally Posted by 1biggun

It does affect guys like us who want to have a home made reciver professionaly heat treated buy a normal non gun outfit that does heat treating professionly. it would also affect a chrome shop (seen a few chrome and cold plated aks). it also might affect engravers and other companys we get things done.

This would be my concern. If I take...say...an ak receiver to a chrome or specialty paint shop, it's not like they're changing anything about the receiver mechanically. Now if I took them the whole rifle and they had to take it apart, refinish it, and reassemble it back into a safe, functioning weapon, I guess I could see a small point. But it sounds like this rule would even cover someone who taped off the bolt and bore and shot a rattle can camo job on someone else's hunting rifle for a few bucks. That would seem a bit too far fetched to believe if it weren't already the land of 'fatherland security'.

This sounds like another way to 'register' people who have anything to do with firearms and make some extra tax money in the process.

[MUSIBIKE]

That is the thing right there, REGISTER AND CONTROL + MAKE MORE.......T A X $$$$.

[kernelkrink]

If you are dealing with other people's rifles or receivers on a regular basis as part of your business you need an FFL regardless. The manufacturers FFL is harder/more $$$ to get than a standard dealer/gunsmith but is mainly an excise tax issue as they want to squeeze every last penny they can out of a business owner.

Private individuals doing a refinish for themselves or friends with no profit motive are still not required to have any FFL. Must have a profit motive to be a dealer, no "hobbyists" allowed except for the very limited C&R collector's license. A business doing an occasional job should also not require any FFL. Your brother in law throws your AK in the chrome plate bath at his business, and maybe does a similar job a couple times a year is not "engaging in the business". Neither is the retired machinist down the street that drills and taps a receiver every now and then to mount a scope on it even if he charges.