How to get your SBR, Dialogue thread - Page 3

Bret · 09-16-2006, 01:02 PM

SalBO, thanks for the quick response. So I'm correct in thinking that the hammer and trigger are not designated as either fullauto or semiauto? I know the disconnector has to be one or the other, but I'm not sure about the hammer and trigger.

**SalBO** · 09-16-2006, 01:04 PM

yes, you can use the original hammer, trigger and sear....Just leave the rest out and trash it.....

Bret · 09-16-2006, 01:12 PM

Good, I have some semiauto disconnectors that came with some kits that I bought. On Monday I'm off to the local Sheriff's office to get my fingers printed.

panaceabeachbum · 09-16-2006, 01:17 PM

states attorney can also sign

Gun nut · 09-17-2006, 04:58 PM

Does putting a forward grip on a pistol make it a SBR or AOW? I'm thinking an SBR but the more I read, the more confused I got. I knowif it was a smooth bore it would be AOW but rifled and less than 12" I'm not sure.

If I understood the reading of the law, and I very well may not have, you can't have your kit converted to full auto by a licensed maunfacturer because all full autos for individuals had to have been made pre-86 (and registered). Is this correct?

kernelkrink · 09-17-2006, 10:19 PM

Fed law defines a handgun as having one grip, so two makes it not a handgun.

Fed law also defines a rifle as having a stock (designed to be fired from the shoulder), so a two gripped handgun is not a rifle either.

So what we are left with is a concealable firearm designed to be fired with two hands. This falls under the NFA classification "Any Other Weapon", which is sort of a catchall category that can be several things such as shotgun pistols, gadget guns, pen guns, or a 2 gripped handgun.

You are correct, the government banned production of new machine guns for civillian ownership back in May 1986. Any machine guns made after that time would be illegal for a civillian to own. Only government, law enforcement, or properly licensed dealers can own one.

There are several "conversion devices" available for other weapons (HK sears, AR15 drop ins, etc.) that were registeered prior to the cutoff date, which is why some people can legaally convert newer weapons. The device itself is the registered machine gun, not the rifle. Unfortunately, there were no such devices available for the AK.

Gun nut · 09-18-2006, 03:05 AM

Gun nut · 09-18-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kernelkrink

Fed law defines a handgun as having one grip, so two makes it not a handgun.

Fed law also defines a rifle as having a stock (designed to be fired from the shoulder), so a two gripped handgun is not a rifle either.

So what we are left with is a concealable firearm designed to be fired with two hands. This falls under the NFA classification "Any Other Weapon", which is sort of a catchall category that can be several things such as shotgun pistols, gadget guns, pen guns, or a 2 gripped handgun.

You are correct, the government banned production of new machine guns for civillian ownership back in May 1986. Any machine guns made after that time would be illegal for a civillian to own. Only government, law enforcement, or properly licensed dealers can own one.

There are several "conversion devices" available for other weapons (HK sears, AR15 drop ins, etc.) that were registeered prior to the cutoff date, which is why some people can legaally convert newer weapons. The device itself is the registered machine gun, not the rifle. Unfortunately, there were no such devices available for the AK.

So, and I'm only on the brink of comprehension here, I can get the $5 tax stamp and put a forward grip on my pistol even though the receiver is logged as a pistol and has a pistol rear trunion? But my AMD 65 with the folding stock would need the $200 stamp if I wanted to keep the barrel the original length. Am I correct?

Bret · 09-18-2006, 03:24 PM

Today I took the cards to the Sheriff's office and got fingerprinted. They have a fancy finger print machine that is computerized. Instead of using ink, you press your fingers down on a piece of glass and it scans your prints. They then run the cards through a printer and everything prints out nice and typed along with the finger prints. Everything went fine until they got to the part that asks "Reason Fingerprinted". They only had choices that they could select. It would not allow them to free type in the field. There was nothing that even approached NFA or SBR. The closest thing was "Pistol Permit - FBI and State". Will this pose a problem or does the reason listed on the card not really matter to them? If it does matter, what should be put in the "Reason Fingerprinted" field?

kernelkrink · 09-18-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gun nut

So, and I'm only on the brink of comprehension here, I can get the $5 tax stamp and put a forward grip on my pistol even though the receiver is logged as a pistol and has a pistol rear trunion? But my AMD 65 with the folding stock would need the $200 stamp if I wanted to keep the barrel the original length. Am I correct?

You almost have it.

Building an AMD 65 with the original bbl length and a stock makes it an SBR, costs $200 for the tax to make it. (or to transfer it)

Putting the forward vertical grip on a pistol makes it an AOW. The tax for an individual to make an AOW is still $200, not $5. The $5 tax is for a transfer of an existing AOW.

The way around this is to find a manufacturer of NFA toys that will install the PG on the forearm for you and THEN transfer the completed AOW to you for the $5 tax. Licensed manufacturers pay a single yearly tax that covers everything they make, so it only costs him the time to screw the grip on and fill out the transfer paperwork. I assume you can get this done for less than $195.