Yugo underfolder issue? in Michigan

rattletrap · 07-27-2006, 02:40 AM

I recently had a Yugo underfolder, that was on back order, shipped to an FFL to do the transfer to me.
I was informed of two issues by the FFL. 1) When the stock is folded the FFL claims that it falls under the definition of a pistol and therfore needs to be registered as such with the Sheriff Dept.
2) I also learned that it will be considered a short barreled rifle because it is twentyfive and three quarters inches long, stock folded, instead of the required twentysix.
This was a parts kit assembled on a DCI receiver, I believe, put together by Century Arms ? A guess.
Understand I'm not pointing fingers. I could live with the pistol registration but the lenght issue kills the deal if it can't be resolved.
I've seen these at gun shows in Michigan but never thought to ask any questions.
Is it as simple as putting on a longer muzzlebrake or flash hider and then does it need to be permantly attached.
Thanks for any feed back.

bassettjm · 07-27-2006, 08:36 AM

Rattletrap,
If the length of the barrel is 16' or greater it will be a rifle. Barrel length determines rife/pistol catagory, unless it's an SBR. I found this question posted elsewhere and I believe it is correct:
I understand that according to the BATFE a rifle's overall length ?Efor a rifle with a folding stock ?Eis to be measured with the stock extended. I have seen a number of examples that would tend to support this but I cannot find anything in the United States Code, the Federal Register, or any published letters from the BATF/E to support this.

I also see on this site where James Bardwell has been quoted as stating this to be a fact. I understand that 27 CFR 179.11 states that the "extreme ends"of the weapon are to be measured but I am looking for an official recognition that this means "with the stock extended".
If it were to be registered as a pistol you would have to remove the buttstock and make it so one could not be attached at anytime in the future.
I think you are getting the run around from your dealer
Call Century or better yet the BATF and get a letter from them stating this is correct.

bassettjm · 07-27-2006, 09:07 AM

Besides, what's the local sherrif got to do with it?
It's a federal law.

**sniper69** · 07-27-2006, 09:38 AM

Michigan law is strange - I would take the suggestion to contact century arms or the batf to get a letter stating whether it is a rifle or a pistol.

If it was made as a rifle it is a rifle.

**Toten Kopf** · 07-27-2006, 10:21 AM

I have seen many posts concerning this from folks in Michigan, Federal Law is over written by state law.

Michigan's law is that the rifle will be measured with the stock folded and it must exceed 26-27" or something like that. If it is under that measurement it is considered a pistol.

I hope that someone with more knowledge speaks up but I do know they measure the rifle with the stock folded.

**ptannjr** · 07-27-2006, 10:28 AM

I thought the 26 in thing was a part of the AWB. since its sunset it would be a non issue unless there are additional local regs. it may or not be a case of an un educated dealer or one that only wants certain kinds of fire arms run through there

rattletrap · 07-27-2006, 12:40 PM

Thank's for all the replies. I will contact BATF and the state Attorney general and hope to get some clarification.

**redchevyman** · 07-27-2006, 01:14 PM

That sounds like a state issue. California has a similar law with the overall length requirement of 30" when folded for semi auto centerfire rifles.

**iamiwa** · 07-27-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rattletrap

Thank's for all the replies. I will contact BATF and the state Attorney general and hope to get some clarification.

rattletrap, let us know what you find out.

**7.62x39** · 07-27-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ptannjr

I thought the 26 in thing was a part of the AWB.

Nope it was part of NFA of 1934.

MI measures with the stock closed. You will need to pin it in the open position to be legal in MI.