12GA FH--Hairy Shotgun/Rifle--

[hcpookie]

Now THAT is nice!!!

[1biggun]

just out of curosicty what is the chamber pressure of a 50 BMG and how far under is the 12 g FH in the savage 210 loads? or in other words how close is a savage 210 from handeling a 50 bmg round pressures?????

or inother words what kind of shortend BMG wildcat .50 or smaller .450 RIFLE could the 210 be converted into if pressures were reduced?? I have a 458 mag barrel laying here HMM Maybe a sort of 458 WSSM or a .50 BSSM (Browning Super Short Mag)

I limit Savage to 35,000 psi, limit NEF
to about 20,000, same for the 1887. The 600gr slug I use a lot and like very
much is a 600gr hardened Dixie slug. It is hard enough to take high
velocities

OR IN OTHER WORDS WHAT WILL A .50 0R A .450 BULLET IN THE 400-600 GRAIN WEIGHT DO AT 35,000 PSI ?? hmmmmmm

[hubel458]

Regular BMG are loaded about 60,000 psi. A shortened BMG case is the
50cal 3" spotter case. If you had 500gr 50cal slug in it, at 35,000 psi,
get about 26-2700. Have to have 27" plus barrel as you'd be using slow
powders to keep pressures at 35K.

RIP on AR Big bore forum is doing 835 Mossy and 1400gr Darwin slugs.
A 14.5 pound Ulti-Mag. The hollow part of the butt is filled with about 5.5 lbs of lead shot and epoxy. Has 4X Sightron in QRW rings. Do 3.5" plastic hulls with the Darwin in it first. It balances on the trigger. Loading the magazine with 4 and one up the spout will add about 1.25 pounds if the 5 rounds are "Darwins," and move the balance point to the front of the triggerguard.
It is heavier rifled 24" chromoly alloy barrel.

Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets
1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic Products slug to 2300 fps,
using shotgun powder.Ed

[1biggun]

Products slug to 2300 fps,RIP on AR Big bore forum is doing 835 Mossy and 1400gr Darwin slugs.
A 14.5 pound Ulti-Mag. The hollow part of the butt is filled with about 5.5 lbs of lead shot and epoxy. Has 4X Sightron in QRW rings. Do 3.5" plastic hulls with the Darwin in it first. It balances on the trigger. Loading the magazine with 4 and one up the spout will add about 1.25 pounds if the 5 rounds are "Darwins," and move the balance point to the front of the triggerguard.
It is heavier rifled 24" chromoly alloy barrel.

Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets
1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic
using shotgun powder.Ed

I was thinking more along the lines of a necked down to 50 cal shorter version of a BMG with a .50 cal barrel on the savage 210. sort of a poormans BMG.

any links to the 3" spotter cases and related stuff.

[1biggun]

It just wont fit right LOL maybe if I lube it with some spit.

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[hubel458]

Spotter cases can be had at different times at surplus guys like
Jeff Bartlett, Pat's Reloading, Big Sky Surplus.

Still testing 8ga I have setup in the Enfield.
It has a long smooth barrel. Those 8ga
heavy plastic cases are great. Fire them 4 times with
no resizing. Here is pic of slugs used in 8ga..
One and two are 1015gr hollowbase. Three and 4 are
875gr hollowbase. On four the cushion base is cut off
so I can use card wad and have more room for
powder.Ed

[hubel458]

We got our RMC 3.5" brass 12ga cases. These are turned
cases using shotgun primer. They have nice thick base,
and a good radius in the corner. Got a Brenekke OK 437 gr
slug to 2800 fps, a 540gr Hammerhead slug to 2450. got 600gr
Dixie to 2300, the 715gr RG jacketed to 2130, and a 1400gr
Darwin to 1400 plus. Tested in NEF. Shot one case 15 times
and still going strong, tight primer, with loads running about
20- 24,000 psi.I have pics of cases soon, and we also will
test these brass ones and 3.5" plastic in 12ga Encore
Prohunter..Ed

[hubel458]

Here is picture of RMC 3.5" cases with variety of slugs,
locked on wad slugs and sabots. There are 3 of our long cases
in back for comparison. The RMC turned cases have shotgun
primer. Case # 4 has 437gr slug in BPI SABOT( finally hard sabots
in 12ga for reloading), #5 437gr Brenekke KO slug, #6 540gr
Hammerhead slug, #7 600gr Dixie hard slug, #8 RG's 715gr
jacketed, #9 750gr solid brass. Ed

[hubel458]

Here is picture of a 12ga hard discarding sabot you can get
for reloading, the BPI. From Ballistic products. In picture
is sabot with a 437gr Hornady Great Plains 50cal slug I put
in it. Also the 410 gr and 385gr Great Plains work.
Finally able to load your own instead of paying 3-5 bucks
each for loaded rounds.You can use the 500 S&W bullets also
as well as shorter 50 cal blackpowder slugs... Ed

[hubel458]

Been testing the Encore with the Nef loads. Barrel breech is
one inch same as muzzle, where the NEF is 1.200".
It has dovetails cut out in bottom of the barrel for
the nuts for the forearm screws. ... At the bottom of dove tail
there is only .060" thickness. Before reaming had back one fill
welded as it was where the taper for the forcing cone ended up
with 3.5" chamber. I load it with 10 gr less powder than the NEF
on all different slugs and weights. Like the BPI sabot in 3.5"
plastic in NEF, 437 gr slug, 120gr 4227, 2400 fps, and in Encore
110gr 4227, 2270 fps. In 3.5" RMC brass case, same sabot/slug
in NEF 140gr 4227, 2600+ fps,Encore 130gr 4227, 2500.
The Encore is now 12 lbs, with hollow in butt and recesses in
forearm with lead shot.In pic you see NEF And Encore with RMC
brass cases started in chambers. Ed