about 11 years ago--

[Frogman]

I firmly believe Steroids is at the bottom of a lot of the deaths by suicidal people, this crap is put into animals that doubles milk production and go's straight to our children. There other drugs out there that have the same affects, but my point is not to scare people but to make them aware. As most of you are aware that 50% of our professional sports people use Steroids to bulk up as in foot ball and baseball & pro wrestling. Genetics have a lot to do for people that are predispositioned to go over the edge. It's known that American Indians are predispositioned to abuse alcohol so they act accordingly. Our F.D.A. in my option, doesn't act in our best interests and hasn't been for a long time.

[j427x]

Originally Posted by Frogman

I firmly believe Steroids is at the bottom of a lot of the deaths by suicidal people, this crap is put into animals that doubles milk production and go's straight to our children. There other drugs out there that have the same affects, but my point is not to scare people but to make them aware. As most of you are aware that 50% of our professional sports people use Steroids to bulk up as in foot ball and baseball & pro wrestling. Genetics have a lot to do for people that are predispositioned to go over the edge. It's known that American Indians are predispositioned to abuse alcohol so they act accordingly. Our F.D.A. in my option, doesn't act in our best interests and hasn't been for a long time.

could well be some connection to chemicals used in food processing or agriculture. harmones, steriods, antibotics, cultures, --you name it !

science needs to look at everything with a fine toothed comb.

science is just now beginning to understand genetics and gene function.

something may well be turning on the "kill everything & every one" gene.

if humanity is to survive we have to find out what the hell is going on.

if no one looks at the problem were going to have ever increasing numbers of murderous nuts coming out of the woodwork --with dire consequences.

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[kernelkrink]

One of the reasons Autism, ADHD, etc are increasing is they are over-diagnosed. Back in the day, a kid wasn't "Hyperactive" he was a normal 7 year old that needed to get out in the neighborhood and wear himself out playing with all the other 7 year olds. Nowdays, Mommy wants some of his speed prescription so she hauls him down to the Docs who prescribe Ritalin or whatever and send him on his way. Sure, there are some hyper kids, but not the millions being medicated.

Autism is especially over-diagnosed. My friend has an autistic 40 year old. He will never function above the level of a 3 year old. He spends his days sitting staring at things and wagging his head back and forth while loudly sucking air in and out between his teeth. He screams at all hours of the day and night, and will not stop. He has to have his grooming done for him, and is very upset when his routine is disrupted. His parents are Saints, anybody will tell you he should have been institutionalized years ago. He is truly Autistic, no idea why. Nowdays, little Johnny daydreams a bit in class and the next thing ya know he's slapped with the Autistic label. When their son was small, it took dozens of specialists and hospitals before they even got the Autism diagnosis, and that was mainly because his Father read up on the literature and found a Doc who specialized in it. When he was of school age, he was sent to special ed classes, there were a total of 3 Autism kids in the entire state at that time. Now we have thousands.

[Big Don]

I have one son who did two tours in Irac, one son one tour in Afgasnistan, and a daughter-in-law with a tour in Irac. All three say when you are brain washed everyday by some religious zelot who beats himself with chains, you become a zombie who will do anything for them. That is why the younger age of the men doing this. The older ones have more sense. US military is the same way. They don't want us "old" men. We know how to think for ourselves. A good example of this here in the US is that radical Baptist church who protest at military funerals. I see they are going to protest at the Conn. kids funerals. How is this for Troll Reasoning?

[Viper Dude]

This is an interesting topic that deserves serious scientific research with truthful presentation to the public and devoid of political BS and corporate bias.

One approach could be statistical analysis of a global data base via a modern super powerful computer system. Funding should be private donation only ie NO Gov't or corporate big pharma influencing, coercion etc...

When a similar study by the US CDC was done by their scientist and found a linkage between autism and immunisations a secret conference was held to discuss the results and implications. The scientist who discovered the linkage was hired away from CDC with a mega salary. The massive CDC data base developed for the study was purchased by big pharma and locked down as proprietary. Do we see a trend here ???

Truth will always go begging unless the public gets seriously pissed-off about spin, farrie tales, and big lies.

While third world culture certainly has a different path to "religious and lunatic murders" it also has a very antique medical path. It thus seems logical to compare and contrast the global statistics in light of historical external factors.

Disclaimer: My area of science is engineering not medicine. All science demands discipline and integrity. The rest is shaking bones at the Moon.

VD in AZ

[j427x]

Originally Posted by Viper Dude

This is an interesting topic that deserves serious scientific research with truthful presentation to the public and devoid of political BS and corporate bias.

One approach could be statistical analysis of a global data base via a modern super powerful computer system. Funding should be private donation only ie NO Gov't or corporate big pharma influencing, coercion etc...

When a similar study by the US CDC was done by their scientist and found a linkage between autism and immunisations a secret conference was held to discuss the results and implications. The scientist who discovered the linkage was hired away from CDC with a mega salary. The massive CDC data base developed for the study was purchased by big pharma and locked down as proprietary. Do we see a trend here ???

Truth will always go begging unless the public gets seriously pissed-off about spin, farrie tales, and big lies.

While third world culture certainly has a different path to "religious and lunatic murders" it also has a very antique medical path. It thus seems logical to compare and contrast the global statistics in light of historical external factors.

Disclaimer: My area of science is engineering not medicine. All science demands discipline and integrity. The rest is shaking bones at the Moon.

VD in AZ

yes it does need to be looked at seriously.

my scientific thought ain't all that much --more of an observation.


my brother was born in 1954 -- now he has some rather severe mental handicaps and he has been disabled for most of his life. in a three year period around his birth --there was a number of boys born with the exact same problems. many grumbled it had something to do with fallout.

by 1960 this problem sort of left the area.

i was born in 1962. best i could tell boys born around here wee mostly OK mentally though some were a tad slow--

now boys born in the late 1960s around here started to have some pretty heavy personality problems and some logic problems. you the type who would argue with a pine tree.

boys born in the late 60s and early 1970 were going out by suicide during the 1980s. for a while it seemed like every time i turned on the TV there was a new teenage suicide on the news --and often in the most weird way.

i am beginning to suspect all these things are related in one way or the other.

maybe i am just getting old ??