Elections Have Consequences

[FyredUp]

Originally Posted by trukfixr

Don't you think we're not labeled already just for the fact that we are Vets or gun owners?Wake up.

So you believe because you perceive you are labeled as something then treasonous blather is okay? Sorry NO, your logic is flawed.

[trukfixr]

Ever hear about the 1st amendment?I still support that whole constitution thing.Ever hear of it?

[FyredUp]

Originally Posted by trukfixr

Ever hear about the 1st amendment?I still support that whole constitution thing.Ever hear of it?

Sir, I know the constitution, and I also know that talking about overthrowing the government through the use of force is considered treason in this country.

Frankly, if you were in the military you know I am right.

[Rikoshay]

What everybody seems to forget is that 99% of the military are on "our" side.

That's why I was incredibly offended at the post about Obama calling up the National Guard (which he cannot do, the Guard is a "State Militia").

I was in New Orleans after Katrina and I NEVER took anybody's gun, and I would have butt stroked anybody who did.

[hcpookie]

... nevermind

[trukfixr]

Originally Posted by FyredUp

Sir, I know the constitution, and I also know that talking about overthrowing the government through the use of force is considered treason in this country.

Frankly, if you were in the military you know I am right.

You might try holding it in your RIGHT hand when you read it.The view from the left is abstract at best.What we're talking about is SELF DEFENSE (See picture).A concept many don't understand.

[Black Blade]

Thomas Jefferson Quotes:

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?


Black Blade: Of course according to a few (even here) we are to suppose that our Founding Fathers (including Thomas Jefferson) were wrong to defend freedom and liberty and that they are treasonous criminals? I say that is absurd and incredibly stupid.

[jrs]

Originally Posted by FyredUp

Sir, I know the constitution, and I also know that talking about overthrowing the government through the use of force is considered treason in this country.

Frankly, if you were in the military you know I am right.

Actually it's sedition, not treason.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


18 USC § 2381 - Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[FyredUp]

Sorry, you people are delusional if you can't see the difference between actually resisting the government once they start marching into neighborhoods and using military might to take control, and calling for an armed take over of the government because it wasn't who you wanted, then any further discussion is futile.

Further, turning this into a right versus left argument pretty much says you have run out of rational arguments to defend your point of view.

[Abukai08]

Originally Posted by FyredUp

Sorry, you people are delusional if you can't see the difference between actually resisting the government once they start marching into neighborhoods and using military might to take control, and calling for an armed take over of the government.

"There are two kinds of people, those that are prepared, and those that suffer"
-FyredUp signature block

Once they are marching and then you decide to act, you will suffer from lack of preparation. Not promoting anything just saying. If you are simply referring to prepping "in case" such an event should take place as to not suffer than you harbor the same mentality you just don't voice it.

Oh and treason is harboring or aiding the enemy, but I think what the picture is promoting is dessention or sedition what would lead to what the military calls mutiny and what forefathers called revolution.

You know I always gotta give you crap every time you say something like "you people" or " you all" when you post. That's generalization and that is wrong.