Hello, Incitatus! Could we not tempt you back?

[blu]

ah, but we aren't aiming for the movers and shakers,
the cross hairs are on the chess master, himself.

kinda like blaming the global warming scam on al gore's
carbon producing lawn care guys. all 65 of them.

[sjohnson]

Originally Posted by blu

ah, but we aren't aiming for the movers and shakers,
the cross hairs are on the chess master, himself.

kinda like blaming the global warming scam on al gore's
carbon producing lawn care guys. all 65 of them.

Kinda like BS'ing by claiming the movers and shakers are somehow different from some "chess master" - what a load of hyperbole.

[blu]

Mauser, hmm, the questions i can't ask for 3 more years.

Would you consider watching "Loose Change"? It isn't available on any of the 'networks'.

And despite "Flight 93", I distinctly heard the announcement over network tv that morning at 10:30 local time that the air force had reported shooting down a commercial jetliner over pennsy. Only to hear a producer immediately cut in over him, on the air stating, that 'we have no official word on this yet'. Cell phones at 35,000 ft. such amazing powers us americans must be simply born with.

Let me know, ... or perhaps not ... on how the film strikes you.

[blu]

no, i'm personally glad that 147 members of bin laden's family were removed immediately after 9/11, and that they were the only civilians allowed to fly in this entire nation during those first three days.

And the Israeli's in the van, cheering, across the harbor which the fbi arrested,
glad they were sent home so quickly, being cable installers and all.

...and all the film which was taken from everybody, including camera's all around the pentagram parking lot. Like our dear friend here, perhaps many here, movers and shakers get things done, and are folks competently and professionally doing their jobs.

sorry i miss mistook your meaning. and really sorry to disagree with popular mechanics.

[ImtheGDP]

Originally Posted by sjohnson

As a peripheral helper (New Jersey EMT, filling in, in outlying boroughs such as Queens so as to allow greater NYC EMS to serve downtown), I'm going on record to state that, IMNSHO, the "inhalation risk" is much overblown, to the benefit of those who would milk the system for $bux$ in light of the general sympathy for the devastation.

In other words, I'm calling B$. That's a CAPITAL "B" and a CAPITAL "$"

Talk about sheeple, the movers and shakers of September 11, 2001 have the conspiracy theorists making them rich over bull-freaking-shyte. WTG, boys.

So your saying the first responders that claim they are sick as a result of breathing dust with asbestos and mercury in it are liars just looking for an easy payday??

[blu]

Originally Posted by mauser1959

Skill can also be the morphine for the masses, whom will not look passed their noses for enlightenment. It is of interest that the skill that an attorney posses is that of the use of words , a good share of the time to twist facts... is it any wonder that attorneys are distrusted and hated almost universally.

Pen is mightier than the sword. Societies may choose Law and Order,
or torture and marine justice. Choice is a valuable thing. Speaking up for sanity is becoming a lost art. And i guess "Craft" is out of the question?

Originally Posted by mauser1959

... If a person continues to believe in all the conspiracy theories, then all they will do is look for enforcement for their ideas and never see the true nature of what is happening. Now do you honestly believe for a moment that the richest groups in the world (the royals from the oil producing countries) would stand for a "Jewish" group then you totally oblivious to human nature.

The Jewish quote I believe you are missing here, and i paraphrase: "I don't care who runs the country, let me control the currency, and I control the people." Where exactly do the Saud Clan bank?

What are 'all the conspiracy theories'. 'cause if someone says 'flooded the market' - then that is a sure good way to reduce value of something.

What is the 'true nature of what is happening'? Shiite Arabs planning a coup on america? By removing the discounts we've had on their fossil fuel, and then thusly sending this great nation sprialing forever down through a suddenly devalued currency?

Because it is those theories above - held by many - that seem to me to be terribly different than
what is simply happening, outside TV Land.

The 'true nature' aspect you speak of becomes
a fertile ground for religious subjectivity.
As you said, to each their own.
This is my reason for care.

But the 'bubbbles' that the fed have created have nothing to do with oil. (internet, housing, cheap credit) And it has destroyed our financial standing around the world and even down to the smallest amongst us. And now that currency simply has no value on an open capitalist world market, and the current slide down will consume the little bit better off, etc, etc, as China and the east's clout swells. And no one can state clearly where this will stop. Russia, post-Soviet Union, comes to my mind.

And paying attention, one would notice exactly how Russia came back so fast. And what 'bank' they pulled their funds from.

There are two themes you speak of here, both falsely pressed by both the Neo-Con White House, and the __________ owned media. And for sure, anyone whom thinks in the slightest variance of these FACTS, their sanity and facilities are immediately questioned.

Hello, what country am i in?

Ironically, it is the "SEINEN PAPERS PLEASE! MACH SNELL!" that arrived to these shores along with the 9/11 terrorists, that has most driven my curiosity of this brave new world so far. Perhaps it is the "Never Again"
that drives me. still a bit more powerful to me than any 'war on anything', will ever be.

"This would be a hell of a lot easier if it was a dictatorship"

eh?

[sjohnson]

Many are, and many have abused the adoration of a nation to milk a profit out of September 11, 2001.

Take your insinuation elsewhere, I have been a first responder many times over. Those who respond know full well the risks of their service.

And those who truly SERVE do not expect renumeration, nor expect recognition.

Those who "quote" and enumerate the acts and sacrifices of the many who served the aftermath of September 11 without being among those present are the lowest of the low, to me, now and forever more. If you weren't there and served, if you speak as though you deserve cognition and respect of knowledge, you are nothing to me.

[blu]

Originally Posted by sjohnson

...

And those who truly SERVE do not expect renumeration, nor expect recognition.

I think a decision was made to keep the city open. I think the EPA/mayor
um,... did what had to be done. I think many brave americans shot their lungs, and twenty to fifty years off their lives, those first weeks.

i THOUGHT we were the richest, most honorable country on the face of the earth. Fuckem, eh?

I also totally agree with you johnson, and some will never understand that level of duty. Probably the same folks who clamor for a handout, right now.

But I'm Plum STUCK about the point that they even had to ask. What kind of a country who has the means, does that to It's citizens?

It looks a little like the VA.

[sjohnson]

Simply put, bullshit.

Those that serve, serve.

Those that suck at the teat of the system, suck the teat. Piss on them.

[blu]