Shooting at Fort Hood

[j427x]

Originally Posted by 4thIDvet

Few months back. Pulled up to the gates. "Private" security guards on duty.
I stop. Pull out my Military I.D. Friggen guy does not even look at it. "Go ahead."
Great. Thank you. Yeah rite. Three guys with me. Does NOT even ask them for I.D..
Patrick, for those who do not know, is the command center for NASA.
If we had been terrorists. We could have destroyed the whole damn base. We could have shut down the whole damn space program.
You guys are 100% on the money. Our younggun heroes are allowed to carry full autos when the Guberment feels it is time.
"Oh your safe now, turn them in."
Do they make Police Officers turn there weapons in when they get to the station?
I hope this scum bag piece of garbage raghead scum becomes a lessons learned for the Military.
Remember this was not the first time this happened. It almost happened at Ft. Dix but was stopped the last minute.
Imagine what this has done to the moral of our troops. Where they not only have to worry about the enemy in the field but now have to worry about there loved ones back home. Great.
I hope those who this scum bag harmed, or even scared, sue the living piss out of the Guberment.
The Military members probably can not sue. But the civilians who were there can. Sue the S.O.B.s

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[1biggun]

it keeps sounding more and more like he was really pushing his faith on people and that people were concerned about this guy. one guy claims he made some sort of presintation supporting suicde bombers some how. I cant help wonder if fear of being acused of discrimination or profiling allowed this guy to get in the position he was in?? Im not military but Im sure complaining about a General is a fast way to kill your carear.
The guy had all of his training paid for by the military and then decided he wanted out. there is no way that was going to happen unless he was sick or something. Im not suporting him but Im sure he felt he was between a rock and a hard spot in his mind.

the reports of him meeting some one the day before at his house were he never had guests and the use of neighbors computers when he had his own are concerning. was he recruted or coerced to do this????

I dont like the fact that a guy is trusted to fight for his country but not trusted to own a gun on base. that is total BS we are at war im honestly suprised there haven been more suicide bombings and killings in the US. thank god there was only one shooter and not 20 with full auto rifles. think of how much worse this could have been had it been a organised assult with multipul shooter! two or three guys on a unarmed base with could have killed a hundred people easly. I dont want to think abut poisen gas near a base. any military base or building is a target to a enemy hello we are at war. the aragance that we can not be harmed in our country is a very false sence of security. think how many u armed soon to be armed solders over there are vunerable. Of course a enemy is going to want to attack oand slow the process down. IMOO in a time of war all military personal should have acess to weapons.

Welcome to the army you are now officaly a target of our enemy who dosent care if they die hurting you. now go walk around in a group in the the open unarmed. NO THANK YOU seriously think about it WE ARE AT WAR WITH ANOTHER COUNTRY IT IS THERE JOB TO KILL US! ARM OUR SOLDERS EVERY WERE!!! ITS PRETTY BAD WHEN A FEMALE PUBLIC POLICE OFFICER HAS TO BAIL OUT A ENTIRE ARMY BASE. PROBABLY 40,000 SOLDERS THERE AND NO ONE CAN SHOOT BACK ITS ABSOLUTLY REDICULAS. LUCKY THE POLICE WERE THERE OR THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUNDRED DEAD WHO WOULD STOP HIM??????? THE ARMY HAS NO GUNS. IM REALLY GETTING PISSED THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THE. BOYS WERE UNDER ATTACK WE BETTER CALL THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Viper Dude]

Black Blade hit it on the nail !!!! The buck stops at the top... which is the Commander in Chief at the White House. The President can and should direct a policy change to insure all US military personnel retain their 2nd Ammendment Rights. That can help absolve the hapless Lt General Base commander at Ft Hood at least allowing him to retire with his grade immediately.

President / General G. Washington once said, "When we assume the soldier we do not forget the citizen". He was stating that a citizen's Rights follow him into the service of his country.

One last item... It doesn't pay for any soldier to argue with a general officer. Guess how I know that one ???

VD

[j427x]

heads do need to roll on this. the military intelligence community, FBI,DHS, and local commanders all knew this guy was a time bomb yet no one did any kind of follow up.

our military needs to go a war time footing even when at their home bases. this bag of shit should have walked right into a hail of automatic m4 fire rather than being let go on a shooting rampage.

or better yet he should have been sitting in the stockade on high treason, dereliction of duty and every other charge they could come up with way before this shooting incident.

this makes me wonder if his practice is connected to any GI suicides? i wonder what kind of treatment our GIs got from this piece of shit? couldn't have been any good at any rate.

[Black Blade]

Army to review gun policies for all bases

By ANNA M.TINSLEY AND AMAN BATHEJA
McClatchy Newspapers

One day after a shooter opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, Army Chief of Staff George W. Casey Jr. ordered a review of all force protection policies at Army bases worldwide.

Thursday's shooting, he said during a briefing at Fort Hood, was a "kick in the gut."

Casey's announcement comes after questions were raised about base security and why soldiers couldn't protect themselves where they live and work.

"There will be an investigation, a look at the whole policy, but Congress should not step in and try to change the policy," said U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas.

Each branch of the military sets a policy on whether guns may be carried on bases. Private guns are not allowed on Army bases or at facilities such as the Naval Air Station Fort Worth.

Soldiers generally carry weapons on base only when there is a reason, such as a training exercise or a trip to the firing range. Personal weapons are registered with authorities on the base and stored until they are signed out.

"This base, and other bases, these are people's homes," Granger said. "So there are people who are armed on base - military police, security guards - but not in their homes, their schools or, in this case, the deployment area."

U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, is among those wondering whether that is the right policy."The investigation at Fort Hood is still ongoing, and Congressman Burgess believes that answers are needed before conclusions can be drawn and action can be taken on related issues," said Lauren Bean, a Burgess spokeswoman.

Thursday's shooting revived the debate about gun rules for military bases. Currently, concealed-handgun laws such as the one in Texas do not apply on military bases.

Suzanna Hupp, a former state representative whose parents were among the Killeen, Texas, Luby's massacre victims in 1991, said allowing soldiers on base to carry arms would not prevent attacks like Thursday's but would likely reduce the damage.

"Of course the element of surprise was a probably valuable tool for a creep like this," Hupp said. "You're not going to prevent somebody from killing those first couple of people ... but after that ... it could have ended much, much, much sooner."

Hupp said the issue wouldn't be addressed while the Obama administration is in power.

Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a gun rights advocate, said that the policies at military bases should be up to military officials but that a review makes sense.

"I'm not saying the policy should change ... but again we have an example of a shooter going to a target-rich environment where he knew that no one was there who could resist," he said.

Gun control groups quickly pointed to the Fort Hood shooting as a reason to stiffen gun control laws.

"This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified Army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

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[1biggun]

Soldiers generally carry weapons on base only when there is a reason,

Hello US Goverment did you happen to notice we are at war in two differant countries??? Has it ever occured that a enemy might want to kill our soldiers????

Suzanna Hupp, a former state representative whose parents were among the Killeen, Texas, Luby's massacre victims in 1991, said allowing soldiers on base to carry arms would not prevent attacks like Thursday's but would likely reduce the damage.

You think????? you mean being able to shoot a attacker might reduce the damage. WOW this person is a rocket scientest. the concept that stoping a attaker from continuing to kill unarmed people is BRILLIANT. perhaps the army should have some guns.

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I'm not saying the policy should change ... but again we have an example of a shooter going to a target-rich environment where he knew that no one was there who could resist," he said.

he and every other terriost and wack job in the world is more aware than ever that the our bases are sitting ducks. apparently army bases are the least defended place in the country, even the private residents have fire arms in there homes. hell even elementry schools have more protection.

Gun control groups quickly pointed to the Fort Hood shooting as a reason to stiffen gun control laws.

"This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified Army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

heavily fortifed my ass. a woman with a pistol and a badge WHO NEARLY DIED is not what I call heavily fortifed. YOU SIR ARE A IDIOT. If his aim had been better or had he been shooting somting more than a glorifed 22 magnum he might still be shooting. had there been a actual organised attack of say 20 trained terrorissts with real military weapons the body count could have been in the thousands. hell this guy could have had a machatte and still killed 13 people. a base full of unarmed soldiers despised by our enemys that people and vehicles are not searched and guarded by rent a cops is not fortifed its target practice. the arogance that I see in our miltary is comparable to the big mouth 270 pund drunk in a bar that gets his lights turned out by a 125 pound chick with a beer bottle. nobody would dare attack the might US millitary on our soil.
What going to happen when we have a real war?? ( no offense to those who are fighting in the current one) you know against a military that is not comprised of guys in beat up toyota trucks and have real weapons plaines bombs rockets ect. are our people going to be walking around in unsecured bases unarmed??????? well apparently so.

Today I was driving down I 90 in wisconsin and there was a Military convoy along side the road apparently with a broken down vehicle. any one could have easly done a drive by on these unarmed soliders. there was about 50 of them standing 3 feet from the white line. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

There are likley to be copy cats soon and that and its now internationaly known that our bases or un armed except exercises and target practice.

our solders deserve and have the right to defend thereselves and familys from the enemys thay are at war with.

[Viper Dude]

Today there has been some discussion of others involved with the Ft Hood shooter !! Also mentioned has been the possible "self-medication" of the Psych Major with psychotropic drugs for depression. Such drugs have featured in MANY past cases of lunatic mass shootings including the Lubys mass murders there near Ft Hood.

Mainstream media seems intent on a party line of: political jihad, mental illness, or anti-gun caca. Perhaps we are seeing AGAIN a drug crime perpetrated on the American people.

VD

[Markp]

It gets better, apparently (not jumping to conclusions here) the FBI knew that he had tried to contact Al Quieda. So... where do we go from here. With Homeland Security asleep at the wheel, I say we go after those right wing extremists coming back from oversea's who obviously taunted Hasan into attacking them and violating the tenets of his peaceful religious practices. He's just a victim, right?

This really pissed me off to read this morning that the FBI knew that he was trying to contact Al Quieda via the internet.

Mark

[chopper]

if the FBI knew that he had tried to contact Al Quieda.
sounds like no one wanted to say anything for fear it would be there ass for religious harassment or racism, so this is what political correctness gets you.
the only ones against profiling are bleeding hart liberals and those that would be caught, what a bunch of bull shit.

[mauser1959]

It appears that rag head is awake and talking to the medical staff.