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Old 11-04-2009, 12:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Now do you think the military is actually going to air bomb or drive tanks down EVERY road in america in efforts to destroy us and it's own country?

Besides, we ARE the military and police. Everybody here is either in the military, police or knows TONS of people that are in either branch....or maybe both.
Now ask THEM if they would go threw with such a rediculous order.
I sure as hell know I wouldn't.

The government KNOWS it can't go this route....the country would be destroyed.
The economy would be done for.
They don't need to air bomb or drive tanks down every road in America.

Ever hear of Waco and the Branch Davidians? Tanks were used there, after a totally botched BATF assault based on lies from a PAID informant. The FBI, BATF, and the military were all involved in the decimation of civil liberties of a group of American citizens who lived off the grid, growing their own food, practicing their own religious beliefs, and bothering no one. In the end the government burned to death the children they said they were trying to protect, as well as the remaining men and women inside the compound. ALL LIVE AND IN COLOR ON TV.

Four dead BATF agents and 81 dead Branch Davidians for what? No attempt to ever serve a warrant was made to David Koresh before the assault. No one ever walked up to the door of the compound and knocked and tried to serve the warrant, no on ever attempted to pick up David Koresh on his many trips to town.

But according to you this shouldn't have happened because the police and military, and even the BATF and FBI, are us and would never do this type of thing.

How about Randy Weaver? His son and wife were murdered by BATF agents. Again people living off the grid, no electricity other than from a generator they ran occasionally, hunting and growing their own food, and minding their own business. That is until a paid informant for the BATF entrapped Randy Weaver with the sale of 2 shotguns with barrels less than a 1/4 of an inch shorter than they were supposed to be. The shotguns were legal until the informant asked Randy Weaver to shorten the barrels. The BATF spent months spying on the Weavers at a HUGE expense to the taxpayers.

The FBI and US Marshalls set the whole scenario into motion by agitating the Weaver's dog. This brought the Weaver's son, Sammy 14, and Kevin Harris to investigate. A BATF agent with a sub machine gun shot the Weaver's dog. Sammy shot back and was killed. Kevin Harris shot and killed a deputy US Marshal. The seige was underway and the rules of engagement changed to state that any adult seen with a weapon was a green light to be shot. The next innocent victim was Vicki Weaver standing in the doorway holding a BABY. She was killed by an FBI sniper. Kevin Harris was wounded.

In the end the courts found Randy Weaver INNOCENT of all Federal Felony counts. He was found guilty of failing to appear in court and violating bail. Yet he had his son and wife MURDERED by federal agents. FOR WHAT? A trumped up gun charge brought about by a PAID INFORMANT who entrapped Randy Weaver. A man who had not broken any laws previous to the entrapment and who had faithfully served his country in the military.

Don't kid yourself into believing that our government will not do what it needs to, to whomever it feels it needs to, whenever it feels it needs to.
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Don't kid yourself into believing that our government will not do what it needs to, to whomever it feels it needs to, whenever it feels it needs to.
Lol. You need to lay off the conspiracy kool aid.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The government knows that armed citizens have been a reason why we have never undergone a ground assault on the US mainland. We are another level of defence.

Unless tribes of gangs start becoming active with firearms and disrupting law and order, I don't think we will see point blank weapons grabbing.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Lol. You need to lay off the conspiracy kool aid.
I don't drink conspiracy Kool-Aid in the least. The two cases I cited are obvious examples of the US government going to whatever means it chooses to to prove whatever point it is trying to prove. Seriously, if either of those incidents did anything it was to drive people deeper underground. It did not eliminate militias, or individuals stockpiling food and weapons. All it did was make them less vocal and less open.

Incase you believe I have gone completely off the deep end, here is a shocker for you. I don't believe the government had diddly to do with the 9/11 attacks. Well the planning and actual attacks anyways. they may have some responsibility to bear for their lack of a cohesive intelligence network. Instead of working together we have intelligence and law enforcement agencies keeping secrets from each other in order to justify their own existence and budgets.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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The government knows that armed citizens have been a reason why we have never undergone a ground assault on the US mainland. We are another level of defence.

Unless tribes of gangs start becoming active with firearms and disrupting law and order, I don't think we will see point blank weapons grabbing.
You can believe that if you choose. The only recorded comment I have ever heard anywhere close to that was Admiral Yamamoto in WWII saying "you cannot invade the United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

My belief is that the only reason more gun legislation is not at the forefront of the agenda right now is there is so much discontent with the economy, unemployment, the ridiculous sham of national healthcare and the wars. There has been no attempt by his staff to hide their anti-gun agenda. Once other things calm down it will be right there staring you in the face.

Many liberals believe you have no right or need for a gun for self protection. That is what the police are for. Right, 15 minutes after you are dead, and you wife is raped, they will show up and set up crime tape.

Unless you live in the middle of nowhere Nebraska you have to know gang shootings and murders go on everyday in this country. Milwaukee Wisconsin, close to me, has had over 200 murders a year for decades with most of them gang and/or drug related. The gang thing is happening already, and will continue to until we stop releasing those thugs, no matter how young they are, back into the population.

You all can call me paranoid, or an alarmist, or whatever you choose. I prefer to call myself aware and prepared.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:51 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I brought this up to my four boys(sons and sons-in-laws) all of which are vets currently in the military. They patted me on the head and said they took an oath to defend the WHOLE constitution and the people of the United States from enemies outside and inside the U.S. Maybe it is the good ol' Nebraska red neck in them, but they said they don't have to obey any order illigally given against the constitution.

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Old 11-04-2009, 07:14 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I brought this up to my four boys(sons and sons-in-laws) all of which are vets currently in the military. They patted me on the head and said they took an oath to defend the WHOLE constitution and the people of the United States from enemies outside and inside the U.S. Maybe it is the good ol' Nebraska red neck in them, but they said they don't have to obey any order illigally given against the constitution.

Remember: "God, give me the courage to change what I can, the understanding to not try to change what I can't, and, the wisdon to know the difference." Courage is a strange word.
And that is great that your sons know what the Constitution means and won't be led astray by the government. Can they guarantee everyone in there units will know it too and follow them away from tyranny?
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And that is great that your sons know what the Constitution means and won't be led astray by the government. Can they guarantee everyone in there units will know it too and follow them away from tyranny?
They are all Nebraska and Missouri boys in their units.
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:02 AM   #19 (permalink)
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They are all Nebraska and Missouri boys in their units.
Which means what exactly? Because Missouri was a confederate state they have no problem disobeying the federal government? Not sure what saying some are Nebraska boys means.

Please explain...
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Which means what exactly? Because Missouri was a confederate state they have no problem disobeying the federal government? Not sure what saying some are Nebraska boys means.

Please explain...
Obviously you don't trust our government or anyone who works for them in any capacity.

I really doubt that anyone is ever going to convince you otherwise so why continue ?
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