make mary-jane legal?

[GunterPrien]

dangerous stimulants are banned for a reason. People are already stimulated too much with alcohol alone, yet you legalize one more stimulant and you will have collapsed society.
Marijuana is not the same as it was originaly discovered, it is much more potent today.

Read about china opium war from 1800s. Heroin collapsed chinese society, and it took comunist regime to get them out of the hole.

Legalise pot, heroin and cocain and say goodbye to USA

[4thIDvet]

Originally Posted by GunterPrien

dangerous stimulants are banned for a reason. People are already stimulated too much with alcohol alone, yet you legalize one more stimulant and you will have collapsed society.
Marijuana is not the same as it was originaly discovered, it is much more potent today.

Read about china opium war from 1800s. Heroin collapsed chinese society, and it took comunist regime to get them out of the hole.

Legalise pot, heroin and cocain and say goodbye to USA

Heroin and Cocaine is a whole different world here, not to second guess you..
Even in the Orient, where pot is a natural and pharmaceutics do not require a prescription..
The kids there do not bother with the stuff, only the tourists.
Their working to support the family and could care less about drugs.
Now, if you want opium, head up too Chang Mai, Thailand.
Lot of Vets there and not saying, but you can smoke your head off at the bottom of the "Golden Triangle." Enjoy..
My Bro did, had a nice home in Thailand, family, I missed his funeral..
With all due respect, were talking pot here.. I would rather see someone smoke a joint, than sit with a gallon of wine. Just do not drive..
Whole different ball game with the hard stuff..
Even the V.A. here, with the story Chief put up, issues marijuana too cancer patients..
Legalize it. End the drug war, it is not working..
Good thread, what say you???
Too add: Pot is not a stimulant, but a depressant..

[j427x]

Originally Posted by GunterPrien

dangerous stimulants are banned for a reason. People are already stimulated too much with alcohol alone, yet you legalize one more stimulant and you will have collapsed society.
Marijuana is not the same as it was originaly discovered, it is much more potent today.

Read about china opium war from 1800s. Heroin collapsed chinese society, and it took comunist regime to get them out of the hole.

Legalise pot, heroin and cocain and say goodbye to USA

communist saved china from dope? that is the first i have ever heard of that fairy tale. i am sure it is a real workers paradise too!

two of my pals just recently visited mainland china one just for a couple weeks the other stayed there for a year.

man the stories they tell about all the home grown shit they saw there.

matter of fact i got a whole wardrobe full of made in mainland china clothes---and every one of them is FUBAR somehow in some way just wrong. i guess if your high enough they might look like they fit correctly?--LOL!

i got some cheap harbor freight tools--again mainland china --i swear those guys must have been high as a kite when they made them. i ain't never seen that anywhere else. damn sockets don't match the bolt heads--if you ever get on on a nut you have to hammer them off-- one trip with an impact and then there two sizes too big!--LOL


hell even that li-fan motor i got--though it runs fine--some of the mounting bolt holes are NOT TAPPED--

if your smoking dope at the factory you could miss that--LOL

but i am sure nobody is toking in china --since the glorious communist took over.

a more likely story is the communist government used dope as an excuse to kill every one that even slightly mentioned that communism might be flawed.

all the while those same communist government officials were smoking and injecting the stuff in some opium den.

yep communism is really going to help the USA out ---just look how well the last 4 years went!

[tanvil]

The war on drugs is nothing more than a war on freedom.

Freedom is losing.

Smokin weed sure as hell should not be a crime.

It should be decriminalized, not legalized. Decriminalized as in ''no laws regarding it's cultivation, use or transport''.
The government should have no jurisdiction over a plant, of any kind.
'Legalized' insinuates that a bureaucrat knows whats bst for you better than you do.

The reason pot is illegal is because dow chemical company invented rayon. The hemp industry in America was a huge industry. In order for dow to take down the industry and replace it with their new fiber, they paid hearst media company and congress to pull off a massive psy-op to illegalize pot. Pot and hemp are two different things but our grandparents (the same people that voluntarily gave all their gold to the international bankers under the guise of an 'Executive order')were duped by the bs and now there are hundreds of thousands of otherwise decent people wrapped up in the big brother system for possessing a plant that has been cultivated for thousands of years.

Hemp seeds and hemp oil (once again, hemp and pot are 2 different things) can be purchased in the US. All the health food stores carry them. It is grown in Canada, and imported.

No THC content. Piles of nutritional value.

I use both and I highly recommend them.

Maybe the whole opium/heroin thing should be saved for a different thread. They have nothing in common with marijuana use.

The Brits controlled the opium market in china. The commies did kick them out and KILL alot of the addicts but that's a different page in history and a different animal altogether.

You DO know who the worlds largest opium supplier is today, correct?

[GunterPrien]

Originally Posted by j427x

communist saved china from dope? that is the first i have ever heard of that fairy tale. i am sure it is a real workers paradise too!

yep communism is really going to help the USA out ---just look how well the last 4 years went!

I am not saying communism is better. What I said is the fact. Prior ro WW2 china was a mess, Japan easily occupied china and ruled over druged up chinese until USA beat Japan. Communist regime gave china some sort of discipline and organisation and punished the drug users, baned drugs, got the china back on track to become powerfull nation.

If marijuana is legalised USA will collapse. We already have large dumbass polulation, then imagine if everyone is drunk and high on pot,

Smokin weed sure as hell should not be a crime.

smoking weed and owning a gun should be automatic felony. High people are not productive tax payers

[j427x]

Originally Posted by GunterPrien

I am not saying communism is better. What I said is the fact. Prior ro WW2 china was a mess, Japan easily occupied china and ruled over druged up chinese until USA beat Japan. Communist regime gave china some sort of discipline and organisation and punished the drug users, baned drugs, got the china back on track to become powerfull nation.

If marijuana is legalised USA will collapse. We already have large dumbass polulation, then imagine if everyone is drunk and high on pot,


smoking weed and owning a gun should be automatic felony. High people are not productive tax payers

china is still a MESS TODAY--there as many dopers there today as before the commies took over. sure it looks good--what they WANT you to see of it. much you don't see about china though.

CHINA buys most of the opium that tango produces and tango produces the shit out of it--it grows out there like hay crops are grown here.

now if CHINA has cleaned up all those dopers what would they possibly want with all that produce?

hell they haul the shit into china with 2-1/2 ton trucks and just wave it right on in.

you need to write the author of that book cause he is full of shit.

dope is rampant in china. has been for decades.

sure they got tough dope laws--are they enforced? ONLY if the gov decides to get you anyway--then it don't matter if your a doper or not.

many places are like that--death penalty for smoking weed, then you see a bunch of punks on the street smoking in public. with little fear of the police.

in china it is guilty first in their kangaroo courts.

if they get you they can charge any number of things , the commie government love their dope laws cause they can just about grab anybody at any time and stick them with it --no questions asked.

it is going to that way here IF people continue to let the government have its way.

you don't like the big "O" --don't jump quite high enough or bow down low enough?

"boom" the DEA SWAT raids your home or your work or they stop you on the way home-- " how about the kilo of smack we found in your trunk?" don't matter if the dope is yours or they put it there your ass is getting jail time--like it or no--

drug enforcement can too easy become a political weapon for government to control its citizens --just like it is in many places in the world.

[4thIDvet]

Tanvil is correct, this thread is about marijuana..
But just so we get the facts correct.. Not communism, but the "Boxer Rebellion" of 1900 was what got opium out of China..
Communism was not even invented yet..
The Brits, Germany and other nations were flooding China with opium and pumping Christianity down their throats..
The Boxers said this has to stop and thus began the Boxer Rebellion..
"Communism saved China?" Tell that too the millions who were killed and suffered under Chairman Mao..
Actually they even understand Communism does not work and are dabbling with a Democratic free form of Government.
It is working, they are the nation we owe trillions $$ too.
" drugs and guns do not mix?" 100% correct..
But that is like saying "Gas and fire do not go well together."
Seems to work fine when I start my truck engine..
Not condoning hard drugs by any means, but like having a few beers. Just do not toss guns in the mix while partaking..

[j427x]

Originally Posted by 4thIDvet

Tanvil is correct, this thread is about marijuana..
But just so we get the facts correct.. Not communism, but the "Boxer Rebellion" of 1900 was what got opium out of China..
Communism was not even invented yet..
The Brits, Germany and other nations were flooding China with opium and pumping Christianity down their throats..
The Boxers said this has to stop and thus began the Boxer Rebellion..
"Communism saved China?" Tell that too the millions who were killed and suffered under Chairman Mao..
Actually they even understand Communism does not work and are dabbling with a Democratic free form of Government.
It is working, they are the nation we owe trillions $$ too.
" drugs and guns do not mix?" 100% correct..
But that is like saying "Gas and fire do not go well together."
Seems to work fine when I start my truck engine..
Not condoning hard drugs by any means, but like having a few beers. Just do not toss guns in the mix while partaking..

hell there are so many meth cookers and shakers today in the USA i figure the damage has been done and a few guys toking a little weed for medical reasons ain't going to amount to squat in the overall drug problem.

it is true that kids will probably abuse some of the medical MJ--but hell they are in an epidemic of kids abusing Rx drugs like pain killers to get high. along with a shit load of street drugs they all ready got.

if anything the MJ will be less damming than the Oxycodone - shit there getting from the Rx--

either way there are so many dopers today i don't see much room for an increase.


you need to hang around here for the first week of gun deer season when all the whack-jobs hit the woods.

probably 70% are high on one thing or the other and probably 40% are cooking--hell and i ain't even counting all the drunks!

what is law enforcement supposed to do with that anyway?

lock up 60,000 meth heads in the county jail? a county with a population of only about 4,000 can't afford to feed all these ass holes!--LOL


i would say the WOD is a disaster and we lose many of our rights so the gov can do a half ass job fighting it?

not a good trade if you ask me.

[BBill]

Thats all we need-some punk crusing down the road,high as hell and trying to text somebody.

[GunterPrien]

in 1950s drug laws were not enforced too much, but the public still did not consume it. This is the best decade in history of USA. Because public was sober, legal immigration was limited and restricted so that we don't get people from crappy nations, mexico was doing good too.
Then people started smoking marijuana in 1960s then you get the hippy movement, then things start going down the hill from there,
Direct result from marijuana use in 1960s gave us Obama, the irish-american whore was high on weed, had sex with drunk kenyan loser and that gave us the ultimate degenerate barry obama.