K-Var sale on some of their rifles

[ACMcom]

Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin

Anyone want to trade a new WASR straight across for a new SGL-21 Russian/Bulgarian rifle ???

If I had a new WASR I'd probably trade you for the Arsenal conversion, if you'd let me keep my G2 trigger and throw in some cash to cover the cost of refinishing.

[Illya Kuryakin]

I would trade a new WASR any day, any time for a new SGL-21. The Romy is average (at best) for quality of manufacture and assembly. They are rough by comparison to the nicely machined Russian/Bulgarian. Compare them side by side, if you need to. There is no comparison in quality. The SGL-21 is heads and shoulders above the lowly Romy quality. Let's keep it simple, Romy receiver vs Russian receiver. No comparison in quality.

As far as refinishing AKs.......easy enough. Its a routine operation. Blast cabinet, drop in park tank, top off with layer of GunKote, and bake. One hour for the processing, one hour for the baking. You don't need to refinish the SGL-21, but easy enough to do if you feel the need.

[ACMcom]

Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin

The Romy is average (at best) for quality of manufacture and assembly. They are rough by comparison to the nicely machined Russian/Bulgarian. Compare them side by side, if you need to. There is no comparison in quality. The SGL-21 is heads and shoulders above the lowly Romy quality. Let's keep it simple, Romy receiver vs Russian receiver. No comparison in quality.

I'm a lot more practical when it comes to rifles designed to arm a mass army as inexpensively as possible.
Two questions predominate. 1. Is it reliable? 2. Is it accurate enough to hit the intended target? If the answers are "yes" to both questions for both rifles there is no difference in "quality". All the rest is eyewash designed to justify an even more exhorbitant price.
As I've said before some people built nice rifle collections by participating in the marketing campaign but if you want to believe it be my guest.
But before you do, you might want to look back at what was said about Chinese made AKs when they were still being imported. Then you might want to trace the source of those claims. Here's a hint: AKs sold for about $1,000 until the Chinese rifles became available for $300.

[Illya Kuryakin]

For a SGL-21 costing the same price as a WASR, even the nonthinkers can figure that one out

The Yugo vs a 65' Vette. They both function the same. They both get you where you're going. The Vette is just a marketing scam to try to convince you you need something you otherwise would not. Which would you choose? I'll go with the Vette'.....you can have the utilitarian, produced for the masses Yugo.

[ACMcom]

Originally Posted by Illya Kuryakin

For a SGL-21 costing the same price as a WASR, even the nonthinkers can figure that one out

The Yugo vs a 65' Vette. They both function the same. They both get you where you're going. The Vette is just a marketing scam to try to convince you you need something you otherwise would not. Which would you choose? I'll go with the Vette'.....you can have the utilitarian, produced for the masses Yugo.

First, anyone paying the same price for a WASR is paying too much.
Second, your analogy is faulty. The Corvette will do things the Yugo won't.
Tell me exactly what the Legion rifle will do that a WASR won't do.
Is it more accurate? Very probably not.
Is it more reliable? Very probably not.
Is the finish more durable? Absolutely not.
Here's a better analogy. Gentleman A buys a Chevy and pays $15,000.
Gentleman B buys the equivalent Buick for $18,000 and before he leaves the dealership is told, " Don't run it through a car wash. If you do the warranty on the finish is void (and will probably go down the drain)."
I wouldn't want to be gentleman B although I'm sure he feels his car is better. After all, he paid more for it.

[partsman]

ACMCom> My daddy rest his soul told me that if my firearm is accurate, learn to shoot it. It doesn't matter what it looks like. When you hit the target, dead id dead. There ain't no dead, deader, deadest.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Stick to your Romanian AKs. It fits you. I'm sure you've happy and satisfied. Average quality and workmanship for a low, low price. I have a couple of Romy AKs in my AK collection. I also have Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Russian, Bulgarian, Israeli, Polish, Chinese and several other country of origins in my collection. For you, stick with your Romanians. They do the job for you, why pay more for quality. If your $300 WASR does it all for you, stay there and go no further. It's good to see some are easily satisfied and the Romy fits the bill for those. I prefer good quality of manufacturing in AKs. Don't confuse quality with functionality. Quality in workmanship is fit and form and not function as you state. The Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Russian, Bulgarian, Israeli, Polish AKs are all higher in quality than the lowly Romanian. If one wants to compare quality, merely compare AKs side by side. High quality in manufacturing is not for everyone. It's not about advertisement claims or paying more money as you state. Quality is easily seen with your own eyes as long as you are aware of what to look for. It's good to see you have fulfilled your collection and wants with only the lowly Romanian and saved a few dollars in your pocket. It's great to see some are completely satisfied with mediocre

[chipmechanic]

Id take a real Yugo AK over any other AK. Real Yugo as in .308 M76 Countersniper Mitchell import.


Romanian is bottom of the barrel. Commercial Egyptian is one step above that. Military Egyptian is/was on par with most other counties AK's until they got beat to shit, captured in war and the parts got all mixed up and sold off by the Israelis.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Ya know, it really comes down to what the shooter wants to pay and shoot. There are many variations and source countries of origin available these days that the consumer has a large choice to choose from. Whatever best fits your needs, go out and spend some range time and get a good feel of what the rifle will and won't do. The amazing part in the world of the AK is rooted in the design. They pretty much all go bang when the trigger is pulled and they shoot towards the direction they are aimed. Cobbled together AKs put together by sheep herders with very basic, rudementary tools function reliably all thanks to the design of the AK. I enjoy each and every AK I own and wouldn't sell any of them. I am confident in my assembly skills and enjoy each variety for what they are. Everyone has their preferences and don't like to hear their favorites put down.

So buy what you want, as many of each that you want and hit the range and enjoy the time putting rounds down range.

I agree, the Yugo is an excellent, top shelf choice.

[snogler]

Gosh! I thought the Romys were the best. Hmmmmmmmmm!