Parts sold as 922r that aren't

**7.62x39** · 02-23-2009, 09:26 AM

There are at least two cases of suppliers selling parts advertised as 922r countable that are not.

Allied armament is selling a stock tang as a 922r part

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Mississippi armament is selling a Saiga 12-bolt carrier extension. (Do not confuse this with the pistion. The piston on Saiga shotguns is a seperate part)

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What do you think?

**sjohnson** · 02-23-2009, 09:38 AM

"There's a sucker born every minute"

Any business engaged in the manufacture and sale of firearms or firearms parts knows full well what they're doing.

moleman · 02-23-2009, 09:44 AM

At the very least they SHOULD of sent a sample or a letter into the bafte and got a letter from them stating that its a compliant part before they started selling it as such on a comercial level. But they couldn't do that because they already know the answer.

**nalioth** · 02-23-2009, 01:45 PM

Let's blame it on the worship of [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. . .

. . . and it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

**Rhino_66** · 02-23-2009, 01:52 PM

I couldn't find a bolt carrier extension on Mississippi Armament's page. At the time of this post, they only list the gas piston.

My thought is that AA doesn't really know the regulations as far as this part is concerned. I'm at a loss as to how they would even offer it for sale as a compliance part without getting clarification from the feds.

The AA stock tang looks to be decent quality. Since it is machined, not cast like the original, they do have a very nice looking product. If they could turn out an actual trunnion, I think it would have a market. Availability in 19, 22, and 23mm with feed ramp/caliber options for 5.56, 5.45, and 7.62 would make them some decent sales.

I would really like to see AA offer some other flavors of back plates, specifically folding and underfolding pieces for Romanian, Bulgarian, and Russian stocks. The stock and hardware are more easily acquired, but the back plate is rarely available except with the complete rifle parts kit.

I've seen another company (I won't say who) offer an AK-related product that they knew was not a countable part, but advertised it as such on various boards. The vendor even alluded in a couple of threads that he knew the parts were questionable, but who would care. He claimed that the parts count was bull and the ATF wouldn't go after someone just for parts count. After a couple people made calls to the ATF about it, those claims stopped.

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Icarus · 02-23-2009, 01:52 PM

If caught they will plead ignorance, but they know better, they will call it a typo or some shit like that.

**7.62x39** · 02-23-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhino_66

I couldn't find a bolt carrier extension on Mississippi Armament's page. At the time of this post, they only list the gas piston.

Ryan,

That's the whole point.
That is not the piston. The gas piston an a Saiga shotgun is a whole separate part. And they are fully aware of that since they also sell the correct piston (although they are out of stock at the moment)

More on that here.
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1biggun · 02-23-2009, 03:59 PM

yea im kind of glad i brought the rear trunion deal out into the open. it seems that there is getting to be more and more confusion instead of less on compliance parts. and this whole well they dont enforce it BS needs to stop. even if they dont enforce it today dont mean they wont tommorrow. 10 years in jail because some guy said it was ok to ignore on the net is just iresponsibale. i have had my guns looked at, and you can bet that the current administration if they cant get new laws passed will certainaly try to enforce the current ones. not sure what the deal on the saigs shotgun is about. but i caught the trunion from allied early on. its not a typo they devote a full paragraph to how its compliant.

gmanindahood · 02-23-2009, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjohnson

"There's a sucker born every minute"

Any business engaged in the manufacture and sale of firearms or firearms parts knows full well what they're doing.

+1.

BrianWV · 02-23-2009, 05:37 PM

I sent an email to Allied arm. and asked them if they had something from the BATF stating the part was compliant. I told them I had a copy of a letter I could send them that stated it was not compliant.
this was the reply I got.

Brian,
It turns out it does not count as a compliance part. I am changing the
website today.
JM

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Brian > wrote:

Do you have something from the BATF stating that your rear trunion counts as a compliance part?
I have a letter from them stating the exact opposite.
They were asked if the rear trunion counted and they replied NO, it is considered a backing plate.