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    Default Saiga12 ProMag 10 Rounder has arrived!

    This is a short overview of this mag. Bottom line - looks like a nice competitor to the APG mags!

    Shipping.
    I ordered directly from their website because no one had them in stock. They were really swamped so I had to wait *quite a while* for it to arrive... as in 6-8 weeks for delivery. I'm probably more patient than some folks, so if you're a *must have it tomorrow*" person, you need to adjust your expectations when ordering.

    Direct link to the manufacturer's page:
    ProMag | Saiga

    Overall Quality.
    The magazine appears robust. Black polymer with metal feed lips. Polymer feels more grainy than some other mags, really close to a Bulgy waffle mag. I'm no plastic expert so that's all I can say about it. It doesn't seem brittle, so it should be able to take some abuse. Spring seems nice and springy. Hand-feeding the rounds into the mag "just works". All 10 rounds can be inserted with no excessive load on the spring. Mine had just a little bit of mold flashing (trim) that caused the follower to drag when inserting, but after a few cycles it smoothed up.

    Locking lugs.
    The magazine locks up tight in the magazine well. Mine does not "drop free" like the factory mag, and behaves just like the Bulgy waffle mags do in most of my 7.62 rifles. You have to physically pull the mag out of the magazine well. You can see on the rear locking lug there is a little bit more meat on the sides that seems to be the point where it rubs against the center support. I could easily file this area with an emory board or small file but for now I don't see the need for any modifications.

    Side "waffles"
    On the outside of the mag, the top-most "waffle" pattern contacts the bottom of the receiver. I trimmed off a very, **VERY** thin amount from the top of this waffle to get the magazine to more smoothly engage the magazine release. Out of the box, I had to firmly rock it into the receiver to get the rear lug to engage more smoothly and get that "click" that lets you know it is fully engaged. As previously stated, I believe the extra "meat" on the rear locking lug could be trimmed up to get it to fit, however I chose to trim the sides. By a "very thin amount", were talking about the thickness of a business card. These side waffles appear to also serve as an anti-wobble feature. Not sure about that, however it does give it a nice, solid lock-up. The factory mag I have has about the same thing with its side ribs. The ProMag locks up more firmly, which to me "feels" better for my shooting and reloading style. OPINION - I suspect they made this a bit larger to ensure it fits all batches of the shotguns... I don't know for certain how it fits in older -12s since I have only this one available to me.


    Follower.
    The follower sits a bit higher than the factory 5-round mag. I don't have a factory 8-rounder to compare to. It is high enough that the bolt contacts the follower after the last round cycles... JUST LIKE the Yugo magazines! This made it MUCH easier for me to grab the bolt and pull it back to the bolt hold open, and made it faster for me to switch mags. If you need really fast magazine changes, this will be a good thing. Also, JUST LIKE the Yugo magazines, it provides you with that extra indication that the mag is empty.

    Since the feed lips are the same as factory, the high follower does not seem to affect feeding or loading at all.

    OK here are the pics -













    ... and here are comparison pics to the factory 5-rounder to show the difference in the follower height















    ... and finally the "side waffle" rib that contacts the bottom of the receiver - like I said, I only trimmed the thickness of a business card:


    Before Trimming:




    After Trimming:

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    Terrific write up Pook. I'm looking forward to a range report.
    I must admit I'm not a big fan of promag, I've been burned by them before. I've got 2 brand new Glock promags, neither of which will even chamber a round. I also have a Remington mag from them that will not feed more than a couple of rounds without hanging up. The reports I've read on their AK mags is not very encouraging either. I hope they got it right this time.

    There seems to be some issues popping up on the new surefire Saiga mags also.
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    Nice write up Pookie, thanks.

    There seems to be some issues popping up on the new surefire Saiga mags also.
    Any more info on this, I just got two and didn't get to try them yet.

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    were can i get some..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghilliebear View Post
    were can i get some..
    Quote Originally Posted by hcpookie View Post
    Shipping.
    I ordered directly from their website because no one had them in stock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coils View Post
    Any more info on this, I just got two and didn't get to try them yet.


    There are a couple of threads on the saiga forum by guys who have had some problems with them. One guy broke two of them completely in half while using 3" shells (which they are supposed to able to handle) and another broke just a corner off while using 2-3/4" shells. Mike Davidson, (the guy who makes the MD-20 drum) has done a ton of Saiga mag R&D, and He blames it on the fact that the surefire has no metal reinforcements like his or the factory mags.
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    Thank you for the info, now I have to decide if I want to try them or not.

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    ANOTHER THING-

    I just realized that this 10-rounder can be cut down to a 5-rounder size! They molded an additional floorplate retainer tab halfway up the magazine body so that you could hacksaw off the bottom part of the body and re-attach the floorplate. It would be the same size as the factory 5-rounder.

    It would obviously be a one-time conversion, but for a hunting application it makes sense.


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    So where do you find them online? I found them listed one plance for 25 dollars each and they are sold out.

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