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    Saiga made some rifles in .35 Remington, and there's a .pdf of a book from D&S from 2000 that describes building one from a flat, opening the bolt face to .460" and sectioning and widening a stock x39 magazine.

    The .35 came out in 1906 and is a low-pressure cartridge at 33,500 CUP. It can push a 200 grain, .358" bullet out to around 2000 fps, which gives it quite a bit more punch than the 7.62x39 despite the lower pressure.

    A 7.62x39 cartridge is about 2.2" long, the .35 is 2.53", and a .308 is 2.80". You could use a .308 mag with a spacer... or if you handload, Hornady makes some spitzer bullets that might make up most of the difference. The old P-17 Enfield had about the same amount of cartridge slop in the magzine (It was originally designed for the very long .280 Ross), though the idea of cartridges slamming back and forth with recoil makes me wince.

    Reamerrentals.com has .35 Remington reamers for $26, with another $5 for the headspace gauge.

    Inexpensive true .358" barrels seem to be out of stock everywhere at the moment. Googling around shows some Marlin 336s in .35 Remington were .359 or .360"

    Numrich has .357 carbine barrels for $19.95, depending on how you feel about pushing a .358" bullet through a .357" barrel. Izhmash and Tula didn't worry much about that sort of thing...

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    there is a thread here some were about doing a 35 remington and its a good choice it would use a 308 mag Im planning on a switch barrel on may next build. the 358 win is another and brass is a little easer as 308 can be used, Id say go for it Ill keep a Eye out for a doner barrel for you if you want. you need to paya ttention to twist rates and correct bore size.

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    I was looking through some of my loading manuals last night, and some show the .35 as having a .357" barrel.

    I have enough projects in the fire at the moment, so I'm just presenting the .35 information FYI.

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    I've been keeping an eye out on .35 Remington stuff. I recently found a picture of a Molot Vepr with ".35 Remington" engraved (apparently by the factory, along with the brand and model name) on the top cover.

    My first reaction to the .35 was "WTF?" A nearly-extinct levergun cartridge, alive only because of the cowboy shooting fad, best as I can figure. Why dig something like that out of its grave?

    As noted earlier, the .35 gives you some impressive ballistics from low pressure, like the .300 Savage. The .357" bullet is short and fat by rifle standards, but there's a large selection of longer and heavier bullets, mostly targeted to people shooting Contenders in .357.

    The rimless, slightly bottlenecked .35 case was designed to be easily fed through leverguns. Apparently it feeds well through the Kalasnikov design too.

    .357 Maximum:
    48,000 CUP 200gr, 1675 f/s, 1246 ft/lb

    .35 Remington:
    33,500 CUP 200gr, 2084 f/s, 1929 ft/lb

    7.62x39:
    xxxxxxxxxx 123gr, 2300 f/s, 1480 ft/lb

    .30-30:
    xxxxxxxxxx 150gr, 2390 f/s, 1903 ft/lb

    .45-70:
    xxxxxxxxxx 405gr, 1384 f/s, 1748 ft/lb

    The .35 packs more wallop than the x39. It's right up there with the .30-30, and substantially hotter than the .357 Maximum, which is usually considered sufficient for any North American game that weighs less than a Harley-Davidson Electra Glide.

    Also note the .35 carries more energy downrange than the .45-70! Well, at least in its original military loading...

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    I will have one when the switch barrel build gets done I already have the barrel also have a 358 win barrel ammo for both is very pricy so its a hand load or go broke type deal. if you use leverlution bullets they allow for a longer OAL length and also much better BC given better velocity and energy at longer ranges.

    The main thing is the round would be safe in factrory form. IMOO the 358win is a better way to go as you can make it from 308 brass so it will be cheaper. Id be suprised if you could not form 35 rem from 308 brass as well but it might be more work.

    here is a pic of the 35 rem round in a g3 mag and next to a 308win and a
    x39 case and a 444???? rimless wild cat prototype and a 444 marlin followed by a pic of a 308 win a 35rem, 300 savage empty case an a 7.62x39

    I have formed 300 sav from 308 win and looking at the two side by side id be willing to bet 35 rem can be made from 308 as well.
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    357 Maximum:
    48,000 CUP 200gr, 1675 f/s, 1246 ft/lb

    .35 Remington:
    33,500 CUP 200gr, 2084 f/s, 1929 ft/lb
    HMMMMMM a 357 maximum with 15,000 CUP more pressure goes 409 fps slower with the same weight bullet????? is there any barrel length data for these specs?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1biggun View Post
    HMMMMMM a 357 maximum with 15,000 CUP more pressure goes 409 fps slower with the same weight bullet????? is there any barrel length data for these specs?????
    I didn't notice, but I'd assume 8-10" for the Max and 18-20" for the .35.

    [looks at Wikipedia pages again]

    14" for the Maximum, referencing Accurate Powder data
    24" for the .35, same source

    I guess I could have edited the above so it looked like I knew that all along...

    Peak pressure usually occurs just after the bullet enters the rifling, from what I've read. I searched on ".357 Maximum rifle" but didn't find any length/velocity figures on the first couple of hits.

    Since the Maximum was developed for 6" barrel revolvers, I'd expect it uses a fast-burning powder to build as much speed as it can before running out of barrel. The .35 was always a rifle cartridge. I'd say the main difference (in factory loading) is the powder burn rate.

    It might be interesting to see what you could do, handloading Maximum for rifle-length barrels. A Maximum rim will fit an unmodified AK bolt, but you'd have to fab the magazine from scratch, or slice'n'dice a Desert Eagle or Coonan .357 magazine. The .35 will feed through a .308 AK magazine.

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    I've never heard of AK's factory chambered in .35 rem!>? not sure i even belive it without seeing it. You can feed a few rounds of .35 rem in an ak47 mag if you load to a shorter OAL or reload using short round or flat nose 9mm bullets (not spitzers). As well the case head of .35 rem is small enough to fit the 7.62x39mm bolt face.

    It would make more sense to me to convert a Saiga .308 to .358 winchester, shooting bullets twice the weight of 7.62x39mm (125 gr) at the same velocities as 7.62x39mm (250 grn at 2200FPS). As stated above .358 win is made from .308 brass so the mags and bolts should interchange. Could make for a VERY potent subsonic platform too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullpup View Post
    I've never heard of AK's factory chambered in .35 rem!>? not sure i even belive it without seeing it.
    I've found several pictures, and there was mention of it on the Izshevsk web site. Apparently it's quite popular in the Russian and eastern European market.

    Valmet built some rifles in .243 Win, Saiga did .270 Win, 9.3x53R, .35 Remington, .30-06, and in .410, 20ga, and 12ga. Molot also built .35 Remington guns.

    Bear in mind these are all civilian market rifles, so they're building what they think the market will buy, instead of meeting government specifications.

    You might boggle at a Kalashnikov in .35 Remington, but I *still* can't quite get my mind around the idea of a Kalashnikov in 12 gauge. There's something fundamentally wrong about the whole thing, sort of like the Leningrad Cowboys and the Red Army Choir performing Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" in concert...

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    I've never heard of AK's factory chambered in .35 rem!>? not sure i even belive it without seeing it. You can feed a few rounds of .35 rem in an ak47 mag if you load to a shorter OAL or reload using short round or flat nose 9mm bullets (not spitzers). As well the case head of .35 rem is small enough to fit the 7.62x39mm bolt face.

    It would make more sense to me to convert a Saiga .308 to .358 winchester, shooting bullets twice the weight of 7.62x39mm (125 gr) at the same velocities as 7.62x39mm (250 grn at 2200FPS). As stated above .358 win is made from .308 brass so the mags and bolts should interchange. Could make for a VERY potent subsonic platform too.
    It would have to be loaded really really short like a 1/4" shorter an the rim ID is the .460 according to my book an by cloparing it toa 308 round so its to big for the x39 bolt with out mods. I have seen 35 rem listed for the saiga as well.

    I do agree the 358 would be a better round ans factory loads are not over 50,000 PSI there is subsonic potental there as well but Id go with a 9x39 variant if i was going that route.

    now if I had a ton of 35 remington ammo or brass id say go for it.

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