Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20

Thread: Big Brother wants to tax your car mileage

  1. #1
    Gunco Regular jfreakofkorn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    826
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default Big Brother wants to tax your car mileage

    http://www.teaparty.org/big-brother-wants-tax-car-mileage-30001/





    (Los Angeles Times) – As America’s road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

    The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America’s major roads.

    The usually dull arena of highway planning has suddenly spawned intense debate and colorful alliances. Libertarians have joined environmental groups in lobbying to allow government to use the little boxes to keep track of the miles you drive, and possibly where you drive them — then use the information to draw up a tax bill.

    The tea party is aghast. The American Civil Liberties Union is deeply concerned, too, raising a variety of privacy issues.
    And while Congress can’t agree on whether to proceed, several states are not waiting. They are exploring how, over the next decade, they can move to a system in which drivers pay per mile of road they roll over. Thousands of motorists have already taken the black boxes, some of which have GPS monitoring, for a test drive.

    “This really is a must for our nation. It is not a matter of something we might choose to do,” said Hasan Ikhrata, executive director of the Southern California Assn. of Governments, which is planning for the state to start tracking miles driven by every California motorist by 2025. “There is going to be a change in how we pay these taxes. The technology is there to do it.”

    The push comes as the country’s Highway Trust Fund, financed with taxes Americans pay at the gas pump, is broke. Americans don’t buy as much gas as they used to. Cars get many more miles to the gallon. The federal tax itself, 18.4 cents per gallon, hasn’t gone up in 20 years. Politicians are loath to raise the tax even one penny when gas prices are high.

    “The gas tax is just not sustainable,” said Lee Munnich, a transportation policy expert at the University of Minnesota. His state recently put tracking devices on 500 cars to test out a pay-by-mile system. “This works out as the most logical alternative over the long term,” he said.

    Wonks call it a mileage-based user fee. It is no surprise that the idea appeals to urban liberals, as the taxes could be rigged to change driving patterns in ways that could help reduce congestion and greenhouse gases, for example. California planners are looking to the system as they devise strategies to meet the goals laid out in the state’s ambitious global warming laws. But Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Pa.), chairman of the House Transportation Committee, has said he, too, sees it as the most viable long-term alternative. The free marketeers at the Reason Foundation are also fond of having drivers pay per mile.

    “This is not just a tax going into a black hole,” said Adrian Moore, vice president of policy at Reason. “People are paying more directly into what they are getting.”

    The movement is also bolstered by two former U.S. Transportation secretaries, who in a 2011 report urged Congress to move in the pay-per-mile direction.
    The U.S. Senate approved a $90-million pilot project last year that would have involved about 10,000 cars. But the House leadership killed the proposal, acting on concerns of rural lawmakers representing constituents whose daily lives often involve logging lots of miles to get to work or into town.

    Several states and cities are nonetheless moving ahead on their own. The most eager is Oregon, which is enlisting 5,000 drivers in the country’s biggest experiment. Those drivers will soon pay the mileage fees instead of gas taxes to the state. Nevada has already completed a pilot. New York City is looking into one. Illinois is trying it on a limited basis with trucks. And the I-95 Coalition, which includes 17 state transportation departments along the Eastern Seaboard (including Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida), is studying how they could go about implementing the change.

    The concept is not a universal hit.

    In Nevada, where about 50 volunteers’ cars were equipped with the devices not long ago, drivers were uneasy about the government being able to monitor their every move.

    “Concerns about Big Brother and those sorts of things were a major problem,” said Alauddin Khan, who directs strategic and performance management at the Nevada Department of Transportation. “It was not something people wanted.”

    As the trial got underway, the ACLU of Nevada warned on its website: “It would be fairly easy to turn these devices into full-fledged tracking devices….

    There is no need to build an enormous, unwieldy technological infrastructure that will inevitably be expanded to keep records of individuals’ everyday comings and goings.”

    Nevada is among several states now scrambling to find affordable technology that would allow the state to keep track of how many miles a car is being driven, but not exactly where and at what time. If you can do that, Khan said, the public gets more comfortable.

    The hunt for that technology has led some state agencies to a small California startup called True Mileage. The firm was not originally in the business of helping states tax drivers. It was seeking to break into an emerging market in auto insurance, in which drivers would pay based on their mileage. But the devices it is testing appeal to highway planners because they don’t use GPS and deliver a limited amount of information, uploaded periodically by modem.

    “People will be more willing to do this if you do not track their speed and you do not track their location,” said Ryan Morrison, chief executive of True Mileage. “There have been some big mistakes in some of these state pilot programs. There are a lot less expensive and less intrusive ways to do this.”

    In Oregon, planners are experimenting with giving drivers different choices. They can choose a device with or without GPS. Or they can choose not to have a device at all, opting instead to pay a flat fee based on the average number of miles driven by all state residents.

    Other places are hoping to sell the concept to a wary public by having the devices do more, not less. In New York City, transportation officials are seeking to develop a taxing device that would also be equipped to pay parking meter fees, provide “pay-as-you-drive” insurance, and create a pool of real-time speed data from other drivers that motorists could use to avoid traffic.

    “Motorists would be attracted to participate … because of the value of the benefits it offers to them,” says a city planning document.

    Some transportation planners, though, wonder if all the talk about paying by the mile is just a giant distraction. At the Metropolitan Transportation Commission in the San Francisco Bay Area, officials say Congress could very simply deal with the bankrupt Highway Trust Fund by raising gas taxes. An extra one-time or annual levy could be imposed on drivers of hybrids and others whose vehicles don’t use much gas, so they pay their fair share.

    “There is no need for radical surgery when all you need to do is take an aspirin,” said Randy Rentschler, the commission’s director of legislation and public affairs. “If we do this, hundreds of millions of drivers will be concerned about their privacy and a host of other things.”

  2. #2
    NoWorkCamp4Me railbuggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Cincinnati,OHIO
    Posts
    4,310
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)

    Default

    Allstate offered me discounts to put snitch devices on my car and truck for six months to rate my driving skills. Them sent me a e-mail wanting to extend the contract and have me keep the little blue boxes plugged into my car and truck last week. I unplugged them both and shipped them back home today. I've been to a few tea partys.
    SOON-We already lost the war. You are the resistance.

  3. #3
    GuncoHolic twa2471's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Vermont
    Posts
    4,721
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)

    Default

    Hey ,,,,,I got an idea,,,,

    STOP SENDING ALL OUR FRIGGIN TAX DOLLARS TO THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!! SO THEY CAN FIX THERE INFRASTRUCTURE!!!

    MORONS!!!!


    Just an excuse for another tax IMO,,,

  4. #4
    Gunco Regular Akfite's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Kenai Alaska
    Posts
    319
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default

    Its all B.S. they raid the Transportation Funds and used them for other things just like everything else...It's all smoke and mirrors. Next there will be a sex tax charged for every time you have sex with your spouse..Oh wait we have the affordable care act it probably already in there
    Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, LIBERTY DECREASES."

    Thomas Jefferson

  5. #5
    No Hope For Me 1biggun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    13,661
    Feedback Score
    14 (100%)

    Default

    then the first time a illeage is seen driving down the road arrest him for tax evasion !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. #6
    Gunco Veteran hunter_02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    1,425
    Feedback Score
    0

    Default

    Then I'll just have to have sex with someone else's spouse.
    Should've thought of this a long time ago.
    Hunter

  7. #7
    AKAHOLIC o.d. ak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    South West Missouri
    Posts
    1,587
    Feedback Score
    3 (100%)

    Default

    so raise the godamn gas tax. you drive more you use more gas. i would rahter pay more at the pump directly than have some goddamn tracking box in my car and get hit with a tax bill at the end of the year.

    who are the clowns that come up with this shit?

  8. #8
    GuncoHolic twa2471's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Vermont
    Posts
    4,721
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)

    Default

    Like I said,,,,,

    MORONS !!!

  9. #9
    GuncoHolic Black Blade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Wyoming
    Posts
    4,274
    Feedback Score
    2 (100%)

    Default

    They will steal our money one way or the other. Not a damn thing we can do about it either. I understand that all new cars will have "black box" tech installed starting next year. There must be some way to disable the devices. Maybe some lead foil shielding perhaps.
    When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America , you get a front row seat. - George Carlin


  10. #10
    GuncoHolic zteknik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    2,467
    Feedback Score
    15 (100%)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Blade View Post
    They will steal our money one way or the other. Not a damn thing we can do about it either. I understand that all new cars will have "black box" tech installed starting next year. There must be some way to disable the devices. Maybe some lead foil shielding perhaps.
    If it runs on any Mikrosoft system it would crash itself...
    Keep the change-I just want my Country back!!!

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Search tags for this page

There are currently no search engine referrals.
Click on a term to search our site for related topics.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •