1 tax stamp or 2?

Welding on the suppressor would be only one stamp. Submit it on a form 4 and see if the NFA approves it?

You need a form 1 . Welded on you'd need 1 stamp.

That's right form 4 is for transfers of NFA stuff. You need form 1 to submit for a new NFA item.

With the can permanently attached, it would just be an "integral suppressor" and not an SBR since you're over the minimum length. Unless the can can be taken down at the rear endcap. If the can can be taken apart for cleaning, make sure that only the front endcap comes off.

so if it comes off for cleaning it becomes a sbr and i need another stamp, is this stupid or what???

sduz1 said:

so if it comes off for cleaning it becomes a sbr and i need another stamp, is this stupid or what???

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If you weld the tube on at the rear and have the core unscrew from the front its not an issue. With a centerfire rifle it dos not need to come apart anyway and is better off welded together.

sduz1 said:

so if it comes off for cleaning it becomes a sbr and i need another stamp, is this stupid or what???

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No, if it comes off for cleaning, leaving your gun with less than a 16" barrel, then, you'd need another stamp.

That's why a "cleans from the front of the can" model was advised earlier.

excuse me for being dumb, what i envision is a side folding krinkov type rifle with a suppressor as the perfect ak in 5.45 bore. so here is the hard part. if i buy a pistol 7.62 there is no problem till i add a stock. then i have an issue. does this mean that the broomstick mauser pistol my grandfather handed down to me is ok till i put on the ultra rare rifle stock that he got with it and then it becomes a sbr and the govt wants $200. by the way by having the mauser make me a candidate for a drop the soap party

The Mauser is probably OK as long as it is the original stock. Certain historic firearms that came with shoulder stocks like the Mausers, Artillery Lugers, and Browning Hi Powers are on the Curio and Relic list and are deemed not likely to be used in crime. They therefore exempt them from the federal SBR laws. State laws still apply though and they may be an SBR under them. I would get the latest copy of the C&R list and make sure your particular specimen is on it.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

so the mauser maybe ok, but if i take a ak pistol and put a stock on it can you tell me the LOGICAL diff. please don't say its because i have a 30 round mag, the mauser can be had in a snail drum that would shoot off more rounds and could also be full auto. i dont mind paying the tax it's just that it doesn't make any sense does it?

A broom handle might be a c and r for its age and the fact that its ammo is not readily availible as far as if the but stock doesn't make it an sbr it might be either grandfathered or it might have to have an aow stamp, just some thoughts nothing certain just some ideas

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A broom handle might be a c and r for its age and the fact that its ammo is not readily availible as far as if the but stock doesn't make it an sbr it might be either grandfathered or it might have to have an aow stamp, just some thoughts nothing certain just some ideas

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The AOW classification doesn't include pistols with a stock.

If it had to be papered, it'd be papered as an SBR.

The difference is ATF specifically exempted the Mauser and other similar guns due to their collector value, age, and relative scarcity. Maybe in another 80 years the AK version will meet that criteria and get exempted as well.

The AK probably never will get an exemption. They will not be C&R eligible unless they are the machine gun version uncut and legally imported which very few AK's in the US are. Conceivably they could get on the C&R list some day if they are factory original military issue guns.
Broomhandle Mausers also fire 9mm Luger so the weird ammo thing doesnt apply. Browning high power's are also on the C&R list with even reproduction stock.

when is a weapon not a weapon, form follows function, if i use atf logic we can revert to what lewis black said" mother teresa had a mustache, adolph hitler had a mustache, mother teresa is adolph hitler" too much govt, too many bureaucrats, too many people imagining bad guys under the bed- leave me the f alone already

Don't try to apply logic to the ATF. It will just make your head hurt.