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"18" x 24", 27 pellets, centered on the target, according to the dust raised on the backstop, and not ONE pellet hit the man-target. Pathetic. It took 2 full seconds to react, raise the shotgun and fire those 3 shots, Given 2 seconds, it's a pieceof cake to react, raise a .22 rifle and hit the guy in the HEAD. :) No, "combat" shotguns don't impress me much. Buckshot won't reliably pierce a windshield, car door, or tire tread at more than a few feet of range, did you know that? NOBODY practices enough with 50c a shot slugs to be much good with them, and they offer zero performance advantage over a rifle bullet that costs much less, and has several times the effective range.
 

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at 40m or so, each 00 pellet hits like 32 ACP ball

bullet. So, no, getting 1-2 into the guy's chest, and 1-2 more into his guts is not likely to stop him. you need 4-5 of them in his chest, and standard 20" riot barrels won't do that at 25 yds, in most cases. The shotgun is MUCH more range limited than guys THINK it is.

A cover- user's bobbing head can often be missed at a lousy 20m, using 00 buck and a riot barrel. There are 6" square holes all over the "pattern" at that range. You can aim and squeeze all you want, and the ability to reliably get the hit just isn't present, due to the pattern being a 22" wide circle at that point.

Remember "Pi r Squared"? A 20" circle has a 10" radius. 100 is the square of 10, x 3.14 for "pi". 314 square inches in that 20" circle. Divide that by 9 00 pellets, you get 36 square inches per pellet. A 6" square head is also 36 square inches. So a head hit is already a luck thing, at 22 yds, 20m, with 00 buck and a typical 20" riot barreled 12 ga.
 
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