922r question, US Made part validation?

I'll go look, but there was supposed to be a disconnector, a trigger, a muzzle break, a barrel extension/break, black tactical fore grips (I know they are not wood, but just because they are not wood, that doesn't make them non-import) and about 3 or 4 of each, plus other internal parts (springs, etc). I keep reading, and found someone that was asking "how do they prove it" and there didn't seem to be much posts after that, except a "what happened to honesty, if you want to be able to keep this fun sport/hobby, we have to be honest and not give the Government a reason to take it away", etc, etc. I am all for being honest, and obviously don't want to contribute to breaking the law. Hell, one thread went so far as to say that if its built out of compliance but is then sold, the new owner is not "at risk", that sounded like really bad advise, someone saying I could build a couple and sell them to my wife for a few bucks and then use all the parts (minus FA parts) in a kit and get around it. Anyways, I really am just hoping to just take my lumps and re-purchase everything (if the piston looks new, I might keep that). But the bag has enough parts to do maybe 3-4 riffles and I did pay 100.00 bucks for it, I wasn't ready to start building 4 years ago when I got the last kit and these parts. I can find the payment email from the seller though (but his email and account is no longer valid so I cant ask for more). Too bad gun-broker takes old auctions offline, maybe the payment receipt and the print out of the auction would count as a receipt and make it work (thats me assuming that a US receipt proves a US part). I guess I should start looking around for a few parts and order them, see if they come with a HUGE engraved made in the US or something that makes it obvious. THank you for the piston hint though. Most of the parts are squeaky clean, no cosmo, but I KNOW that is not enough to prove they were not imported as well.

Anyone else with any info, I love this site, Im sure I will come back in a few days and there will be LOTS of emails. (Thanks in advance guys).

John

ACMcom said:

And exactly how do you know that? Because you read someone else's post that on a gun board?
How much time have you spent searching through the Federal case law reporters?
And what about guilty pleas? Those don't get reported, so how would you track down such a conviction?

People repeat this all the time but there's no factual basis for the posts.
The TRUTH is know one knows whether anyone has been charged, pled guilty and convicted. And no one knows if the Department of Justice and the BATFE will decide to step up enforcement tomorrow.

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Spent years looking. In 21 years you'd think there would be at least ONE case anyone has heard of or could reference and the law is ALL about referencing other charges and cases. Ive known people convicted of multiple real gun charges that had no 922r charges added who "should" have been charged with 922r. Problem with and good thing with the law is that it is not illegal to possess a non 922r compliant gun. It is only illegal under the law to build one. That puts the burden of proof on law enforcement to prove you converted the gun to 922r non compliance. Not so easy to do. 922r is in effect for manufacturers and importers pure and simple.

All of my guns are 922r compliant but only because I like nice new shiny wood and target triggers and NDS makes such good receivers and I only build with new barrels. Otherwise it would be like back during the Clinton ban when all my guns had folding stocks and flash suppressors and were equipped with bayonets 24/7 and I didnt lose a minute o sleep.

in all of my experiences i have noticed a few things about parts ID.

an import gas piston will have 2 grooves on the head, a US made one will have 3 grooves.

most US FCG parts will have USA and/or manufacturers name on them. Century made parts will have a "C" stamped in. same goes with muzzle brakes.

stocks and forends get trickier. some are marked, some are not. case in point is an Ironwood set. they don't mark them but will send you a "Made in USA" letter upon request.

US made magazine floorplates and followers are always marked one way or another, again just in my experience.

i have never dealt with US made barrels so that is not something i can provide input on.


even though all of my rifles are compliant (cheap insurance) i am also of the camp that believes 922(r) is a bogus and unenforcable law and would just be an "add-on" charge to something much worse.

just my two cents.

chipmechanic said:

Spent years looking. In 21 years you'd think there would be at least ONE case anyone has heard of or could reference and the law is ALL about referencing other charges and cases.

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I guess you don't want to try and answer the question about convictions based on guilty pleas. I'm sure that's because it's absolutely true that hundreds of people could have been charged, pled guilty and been convicted based on the plea and NO ONE would be able to track down such a conviction without examining the record of EVERY federal conviction in the US. Since you haven't spent years looking through the records of every federal conviction in the US, your assertion that no one has been charged or convicted is baseless.

922r is in effect for manufacturers and importers pure and simple.

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Had you even read the statute you'd know that there is no such limitation in the law.
EVERYONE in the US is prohibited from assembling a semiautomatic rifle which cannot be imported, using foreign parts. The regulation modifies that to allow the use of up to 10 foreign made parts of those on the list.