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SAF Blasts Proposed San Francisco Handgun Ban: 'We Beat That In 1982'

12/16/2004 5:07:00 PM


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To: State Desk

Contact: Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation, 425-454-7012

BELLEVUE, Wash., Dec. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Calling it an "ill-considered return visit of anti-gun bigotry," the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today blasted plans to put a handgun ban on the November 2005 ballot in San Francisco, Calif. reminding proponents of the measure that such a ban was declared illegal when first tried in 1982.

"This issue was decided by the California courts more than 22 years ago, and the gun ban extremists lost," recalled SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. "Why some city supervisors want to waste the time, and money, of voters to revisit an issue that was unanimously trounced by the State Court of Appeals makes no sense. Even if the ban were to pass, it will not hold up in court."

In late June 1982, then-Mayor Dianne Feinstein pushed through a handgun ban in San Francisco that lasted only three months before it was overturned by the California State Court of Appeals. Twenty days after the ban was enacted, SAF took Feinstein and the city to court, ultimately beating the ban on Oct. 30 of that year. The city appealed that decision to the California Supreme Court, which allowed the Appeals Court ruling to stand in January 1983.

SAF is already in contact with the San Francisco Chapter of the Pink Pistols, a gay gun rights group, which opposes the ban.

Tom Boyer, spokesman for the San Francisco Pink Pistols said, "It grieves me that our board of supervisors would sacrifice the basic human right of self defense, depriving those who are the least physically able to defend themselves, for political gain."

"It is incredible," Gottlieb added, "that in a city where the government has supposedly taken a lead in defending individual rights and freedoms, it is still considered acceptable to practice social bigotry, so long as gun owners are the victims. This may come as a shock to the moral inquisitors in San Francisco, but gun owners have civil rights, too, just like any other social group. Those civil rights are not up for grabs at the whims of the Board of Supervisors, or even the popular vote. We fought this battle once, and we're not afraid to fight it again."

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The Second Amendment Foundation is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, Conn.; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers & an amicus brief & fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.
 

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That's cool. The Pink Pistols believe in shooting and self defense. Does it matter who the SAF allies with for this cause. Not all gays are anti-gun. I think PP would make a good ally for defeating this proposal. I really can't understand how the people of SF think sometimes.
 

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I'm a member of the EBR* Society.
I don't want a pink pistol though, I like the black or silver ones, better.


*evil black rifle
 

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The Pink Pistols have an interesting web site:

http://www.pinkpistols.org

I wonder about the content of the proposed law and of the previous one that was overturned; I suspect that the new one will avoid whatever resulted in the previous one being overturned. Seems that the model of New York City's Sullivan Law would stand up - it doesn't outright prohibit handguns, it just requires that you obtain a license for it (which NYC typically won't issue to Joe Citizen).
 

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The Pink Pistols have an interesting web site:

http://www.pinkpistols.org

I wonder about the content of the proposed law and of the previous one that was overturned; I suspect that the new one will avoid whatever resulted in the previous one being overturned. Seems that the model of New York City's Sullivan Law would stand up - it doesn't outright prohibit handguns, it just requires that you obtain a license for it (which NYC typically won't issue to Joe Citizen).
That is a good site. They are more well organized in the east than the west.
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
The Pink Pistols have an interesting web site:

http://www.pinkpistols.org

I wonder about the content of the proposed law and of the previous one that was overturned; I suspect that the new one will avoid whatever resulted in the previous one being overturned. Seems that the model of New York City's Sullivan Law would stand up - it doesn't outright prohibit handguns, it just requires that you obtain a license for it (which NYC typically won't issue to Joe Citizen).

Hard to tell unless you are an expert in each state's law and constitution.

While similar, states grant cities their power to act and some states are more generous than others in that empowerment.
 

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Well the Pink Pistols don't get treated too well by some of the the other gay groups. I just read the article about their treatment at an Ohio march by the Stonewall Columbus leader and her goons. I sure support their rights to protect themselves. Too bad they are such a minority in a minority.
 

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I think they need their pistols.


Science Reveals That Lesbian & Heterosexual Women Are More Violent Domestically Than Men.
December 17, 2004


A.)Lesbians:

1.) Women are four times more likely to be victims of domestic violence in a lesbian household than in a married household.(Claire Renzetti, Violent Betrayal)

2.) Marrried women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships ("Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p.2)

3.)Among lesbians, "rates of verbal, physical, and sexual abuse were all significantly higher in their prior lesbian relationships than in their prior heterosexual relationships: 56.8% had been sexually victimized by a female, 45% had experienced physical aggression, and 64.5% experienced physical/emotional aggression." (1991 survey of 350 lesbians, 75% of whom had been in a previous relationship with a man) (Donald G. Dutton "Patriarchy and Wife Assault: The Ecological Fallacy Violence and Victims. Vol 9, Number 2., 1994. Page(s) 167-178.)

4.) A survey of 1,099 lesbians found that more than half reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. This includes verbal, emotional, psychological, and physical abuse. (Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrior, "Intimate Violence in Lebian Relationships: Dicussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications, "Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59)

5.) Levels of abuse run higher among lesbians than they do homosexual men.

a.)44% of gay men reported having experienced violence in their relationships, 13% reported sexual violence and 83% reported emotional abuse.

b.)55% of lesbians reported physical violence in their relationships, 14% reported sexual abuse, and 84% reported emoytional abuse. (Study of 499 ethnically diverse homosexual, bisexual and transgendered teenagers and adults) (Susan C. Turrell "A Descriptive Analysis of same-Sex Relationship Violence for a Diverse Sample" Journal of Family Violence. Vol. 13, 2000. Page(s) 281-293)

B.)Heterosexual women:

1.)There is evidence from a variety of sources that women are more violent in a domestic setting while men wage war globally. The Revs. Sewell point out in their recent report that:

"We think it is important to note that there have been the same kind of studies done in many countries. there is cross-cultural verification that women are more violent than men in family settings. When behavior has cross-cultural verification it means that it is part of human nature rather than a result of cultural conditioning. Females are most often the perpetrators in spousal violence in most cultures that have been studied to date."

2.) Susan Steinmetz, Ph.D. a leading researcher in the filed of family violence, has done a cross-cultural comparison of marital abuse. Using a modified version of the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS), she examined marital violence in small samples from six socities: Finland, United States, Canada, Puerto Rico, Belize, and Israel. Her results suggest that "...in each society the percentage of husbands who used violence was similiar to the percentage of violent wives." The major exception was Puerto Rico where men were more violent. She also found that: "Wives who used violence...tended to use greater amounts."(Steinmetz, S.K. A Cross Cultural Comparison of Marital Abuse, Journal of Sociology and Social Welfare, 8, 404-414, 1981)

3.) A 1988 survey of couples in Canada by Brinkerhoff and Lupri found the same pattern. They examined interspousal violence in a representative sample of 562 couples in Calgary, Canada. they used the CTS and found twice as much severe violence where females assaulted males, 11%, as male assaulting female, 5%.(Brinkerhoff and Lupri, Interspusal Violence. Canadian Journal of Sociology, 13, p. 407-434, 1988)

All of the above referenced studies can be found at http://www.dvmen.org/dv-38.htm

4.)In Bland and Orn's study, 73.4% of a sample of 616 women said they were the first to use physical violence. (Bland, R. and Orn, H. Family Violence and Psychiatric Disorder, Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 31, p. 129-137, March, 1986)

The bibliography for B.) 1-4 can be found at http://www.dvmen.org/dv-183.htm

5.) The data from 3 studies: one in 1975, one in 1985, and one done in 1992.

Results:

The scientifc data for the three studies, expressed as a rate per 1,000 couples:

Minor violent acts:

1. Threw something 2. Pushed/Grabbed/Shoved 3. Slapped or spanked

Severe Violent Acts:

1. Kicked/bit/hit with fist 2. Hit, tried to hit with object 3. Threatened with gun or knife 4. Beat up 5. Used gun or knife

Minor Assaults by husband/ by wife 1975 98/77 1985 82/75 1992 92/94

Severe Assaults by husband/ by wife 1975 38/47 1985 30/43 1992 19/44

1975 study: (Behind Closed Doors: Violence In the American Family, Anchor Press, Garden City, NY)

1985 study: (Strauss and Gelles, Journal of Marriage and the Family, August 1986)

1992 study: (Murray A. Straus and Glenda Kaufman Kantor. 13th World Congress of Sociology, July 19, 1994)

Table was prepared using the data from ("Change in Spouse Assault Rates From 1975 to 1992: A Comparison of Three National Surveys In The United States" By Murray A. Straus and Glenda K. Kantor.)

Average results of three studies:

Husbands report they have been severely assaulted by wives: 32 per 1000.

Wives report they have been severely assaulted by Husband: 22 per 1000.

If one will take the time to peruse these studies, as well as the numerous studies at http://www.dvmen.org/dv-39.htm one will find:

1.) No evidence that a patriarchal society has any direct influence on family violence.

2.)There is no direct relationship between structural patriarchy and wife assault.

3.)Battering in lesbian couples is much more frequent than heterosexual battering and lesbian relationships are significantly more violent than gay relationships.

These and other studies show that, domestically, lesbian women are the most violent, heterosexual women 2nd most violent, homosexual men 3rd most violent, and heterosexual men are the least violent.
 

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Well the Pink Pistols don't get treated too well by some of the the other gay groups. I just read the article about their treatment at an Ohio march by the Stonewall Columbus leader and her goons. I sure support their rights to protect themselves. Too bad they are such a minority in a minority.
You're right, they don't get treated very well.
 

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Science Reveals That Lesbian & Heterosexual Women Are More Violent Domestically Than Men....
What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing. She's been told twice already.

(Interesting article, Custer. Thanks.)
 

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I met a transgendered woman at a company banquet who told me that if someone gave her a nickel for every gun she owned she'd have a hundred dollars.Lol,I don't really believe that but the point is, we all have a right to keep and bear arms and we should avoid all of the stereotypes and embrace each other for our common cause.:cheers:
 

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I met a transgendered woman at a company banquet who told me that if someone gave her a nickel for every gun she owned she'd have a hundred dollars.
Redstar's transgendered????


I uh ....didn't ask that OK? :fear:
 

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Domestic violence knows no boundries. It happens among all types of people. Very sad. In my experience I would agree that homosexual domestic violence tends to be more severe. But that is off topic.
The fact that another city wants to ban handguns is evidence that the law makers and politicos have no clue.
Laws only affect the law abiding. Criminals, by definition pay no heed to the law.
This is the problem with every gun law in this country.
The bad guys don't know the law and do not care.
Honest citizen is deprived of right to defend themselves.
When California starts executing killers on death row (Manson) maybe someone will take that place seriously.
Ask Fienstien if her body guards are armed.
 

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Very Good Kmack. Also ask if there are drugs on the street. I believe they are illegal aren't they?

I also like your point about Feinswine, uh.....Feinstein, uh.... I like feinswine better. Tell her to put her money were her mouth is and have her guards to be unarmed as well. Very good point K
 
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