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Was listening to NPR. Amnesty International has called for suspension of police use of tasers:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr511392004

Prohibition basicly because we don't know enough about them (true enough) and because 73 or so folks have died from them (true enough, but misleading) and almost a third of them were unarmed (also true enough, but really really misleading).

Folks from Taser pointed out that in a large number of Taser-related deaths, the Medical Examinder determined that the cause of death was cocaine.

Yet another "a pox upon both their houses" scenario:

Amnesty International seems to consider the Taser as an alternative to lethal force. It's not. It's an alternative to less-lethal force, such as getting whapped on the head with a night stick. Folks dies from that, too, you know. Although Taser has largely brought this upon themselves by marketing the Taser as non-lethal instead of more accurately as less-lethal.

And it's really misleading when it comes to the 30 percent of folks shot with Tasers who were unarmed. To my way of thinking, those are folks where lethal force - i.e. getting shot - was justified and, in fact, the officer should have been using a firearm instead of a Taser in the first place. I know this may sound weird coming from your resident lefty, but if you pull a weapon on a cop you should expect to be shot.

But the deal with those deaths really being from cocaine is absolutely BS, and represents dissimulation by Taser and sloppy work by the ME's. Cocaine kills you by having a heart attack or, more commonly, by hyperthermia (i.e. your body temp going over 105 Farenheit and you go into convulsions and die). Because of that latter it's generally dumb to go to the ER for a cocaine overdose because the drug metabolizes so quickly that if you're still alive when you get there you didn't need to go - what you need to do for a cocaine overdose is throw the person into a cold bath or shower, and the crisis is quickly resolved. Anyway, we supposedly are to believe that the person just happened to be shot by a Taser at the moment that the person was having a heart attack or at the moment that the person was going into convulsions from hypothermia - ironically, two moments where the person would be completely immobilized and there would be no need for any sort of force to deal with them.

Anyway, my vote is further research on the effects of Tasers (that's happening), and police trained to use them only when they would otherwise be using a stick (and the stick's attendant risk of lethality). But suspending their use, using them as an alternative to lethal force, and also using them profligately whenever you damned well feel like it are all ridiculous alternatives.
 

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And the libs, the race pimps and the Feds made Cincinnati buy a bunch of them last year because the city was sued and accused of always using deadly force.

Can't win.
 

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The deaths attributed to Taser were not instantaneous, the subjects died afterwards. People die everyday for various reasons and some of them may have been Tased. Drug users / criminals are not a healthy bunch as a whole, they were engaged in some activity that caused police to deploy Taser, this would be some sort of active aggression or other physical exertion in most cases. I agree that it should be researched fully, I agree that there have been inappropriate uses of Taser. I believe it is a great tool for LE when deployed properly. Much better than baton strikes. OC is limited in its application due to cross contamination and it really sucks to get sprayed by your partner when the wind shifts. Fact is there are some scary people out there that are not affected by pain, Taser does not rely on pain but rather on muscular disruption. It is not perfect but nothing is. I carry one every day at work, am a Taser certified instructor, and have been Tased myself for certification. It is not pleasant but it did not kill me. BTW, I have not deployed it on anyone to date, I have found that the red laser dot on the subject's body is a powerful incentive for them to comply. My goal is to do the job without hurting anyone or getting hurt myself.
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
I know this may sound weird coming from your resident lefty, but if you pull a weapon on a cop you should expect to be shot.
That does not sound wierd at all. Make statements (subjectively) disloyal to the party and you should get shot too. That is what lefties believe right? Well, it's what they do, regardless of what they claim to believe.
 

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Good sarcasm. Just in case, I'm strapping on the tinfoil - hey, wheres the tinfoil hat emoticon? There are doubles of a bunch of them, but I could not find the tinfoil?
 

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My reply is not sarcastic at all. Perhaps you are confusing the "left" in this country with the "left" signified by Smeg's avatar. That is to whom I am refering.
 

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Bluedog said:
That does not sound wierd at all. Make statements (subjectively) disloyal to the party and you should get shot too. That is what lefties believe right? Well, it's what they do, regardless of what they claim to believe.
Tsk, tsk, Bluedog. We have long since progressed from such crude methods. You will understand after a brief stay in the political re-education camp.
 

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Tsk, tsk, Bluedog. We have long since progressed from such crude methods. You will understand after a brief stay in the political re-education camp.
Comrade, if you decide to re-educate Blewdog, I have space available at my camp.

And I have just the right pogrom...i mean program...set up for him. :naughty:


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DB, as I thought of it, I question whether Bluedog is amenable to political re-education. Consider the fact that he is making his comments in a thread where the very topic is application of painful and immobilizing electric shock, yet he stupidly presumes we use archaic methods.

He perhaps would be appropriate for a labor camp, however. And painful medical experiments are always interesting.
 

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Sorry, my bad. You meant dirty rotten stinkin' pinko *** in a Global sense, not Left as in left wing liberal socialist scumbag Democrats. I gotcha bubba!

Still can't find the "tinfoil hat" smilie. I prefer to keep one on when visiting sites such as this.
 

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gordon gauge said:
Sorry, my bad. You meant dirty rotten stinkin' pinko *** in a Global sense, not Left as in left wing liberal socialist scumbag Democrats. I gotcha bubba!

Still can't find the "tinfoil hat" smilie. I prefer to keep one on when visiting sites such as this.
Did some troll hack GG's acount?
 

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What? Just 'cause I apologized? It's the new me, kinder, gentler, etc.
 

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I have milspec anti-radiation helmets for sale..............
 

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Are they new or milsurp? When you say "milspec" it makes me suspicious. Don't want to be a guinea pig or picking up something the military turned down. How much are they going for?
 
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