Got a set of k var rails today, made a pattern that I could understand and cut the suckers out. Hit it with the mapp /oxy gas and it straightened right out. All told probably took 1/2 hour from start to finish. Will be faster now that I know what I am doing and thanks to all your tips. Got 2 feet of tubing & a 20 pack of cut off wheels so I guess I had better start looking for some more kits wnen I finish 2 65's & a 63 :headspin: :headspin: :headspin: