I've been lurking here long enough to know what the whole story is (including the chinese replacement underfolders on the the russian kits) but they do seem to have the receiver I want (underfolder) and I've seen better reviews lately, but the whole, "the receivers should be ready in 2 weeks" leaves me a bit cold, anybody have any more recent experiences they would like to share? or a better place to get an underfolder ready receiver?
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I am going to go out on a limb here and maby ramble a bit. this is not in any order just rambeling. Joken dose want to change the reputation they have earned, keep in mind that the bad rep in only here on the internet, and MOST of their suctomers come from shotgun news. their is no warning in SGN. so the rep here would be nice but not needed.... Joeken claims they will do their best to STOP charging cards before shipping products, this was one of the bigest complaints and they had no leg to stand on when they did it , not to mention card companies can get unfriendly with companies that get complaints over and over. I am very disapointed by them passing china folders off as russin, it is not hard to figure out what they are dooing their.. I have bought from them a couple times lately and I ALLWAYS deal with the same guy.. He knowes my voice on the phone now, this makes it a lot harder to screw me because it is more personal. I was offered a great price on a part I needed because it was their last one and needed some repaire.
also he replaced a part that was cut in a parts kit I bought, and sent along a missing but stock spring. this is not exceptional but just good business, their are companies that would say too bad.
as for wateing weeks and even months often,, HMMM that seems to me will go hand in hand with hearing "oh that will go out next week" .. unlikely that will change.. SORRY to say.. sometimes they have no idea when the stuff will get to them so they say next week to keep you hanging on. I do not believe they will change the practise of advertiseing stuff way before they get it, clearly it is preferable for them to sell it before they have it, then all they have to do is pack it and ship it, stocking stuff cost money and takes a lot of room. I believe they advertise stuff when they order it and they have NO IDEA when they will get it. not going to change!!!
they are no longer going to carry hesse or vulcan because of the well known troubles with them. Joeken wants to seperate themselves from a vulcan bad rep. and its trouble. now we need to see how this vector is... joe is offering a lot of reciever options !!!
I would ALLWAYS and I mean ALLWAYS get the same guy, ask if the part is in stock, ask exactly when it will ship even if it is in stock, and then if it is not in stock you know what you could be in for. I wated about 6 months once , so did joeken. they were shipped when they got them.
another problem with pre selling is , you may order and they may sell more that they get. It works well for them if they sell them all before they even get them rite.
joeken often has the stuff I want and at fair prices , if they actualy have it in stock.
well enough bla bla bla.
also he replaced a part that was cut in a parts kit I bought, and sent along a missing but stock spring. this is not exceptional but just good business, their are companies that would say too bad.
as for wateing weeks and even months often,, HMMM that seems to me will go hand in hand with hearing "oh that will go out next week" .. unlikely that will change.. SORRY to say.. sometimes they have no idea when the stuff will get to them so they say next week to keep you hanging on. I do not believe they will change the practise of advertiseing stuff way before they get it, clearly it is preferable for them to sell it before they have it, then all they have to do is pack it and ship it, stocking stuff cost money and takes a lot of room. I believe they advertise stuff when they order it and they have NO IDEA when they will get it. not going to change!!!
they are no longer going to carry hesse or vulcan because of the well known troubles with them. Joeken wants to seperate themselves from a vulcan bad rep. and its trouble. now we need to see how this vector is... joe is offering a lot of reciever options !!!
I would ALLWAYS and I mean ALLWAYS get the same guy, ask if the part is in stock, ask exactly when it will ship even if it is in stock, and then if it is not in stock you know what you could be in for. I wated about 6 months once , so did joeken. they were shipped when they got them.
another problem with pre selling is , you may order and they may sell more that they get. It works well for them if they sell them all before they even get them rite.
joeken often has the stuff I want and at fair prices , if they actualy have it in stock.
well enough bla bla bla.
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Like the admin of the board they frequent, they are petty thieves and liars. I would suggest you not donate your money to them. That is unless you are happy with giving them an interest free loan while they use your hard earned cash to finance purchases other suckers have made before you.
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I bought one of their Soviet AK kits, it took about a month to receive it. I also was part of the group buy for the matching serial number Arsenal receiver. This arrived about 1 1/2 months later. I paid by credit card, that way I could dispute any charges. If I needed something in a hurry, or if I had any doubt about when I would receive the item, then I would order from someone else.
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meyerse said:
That could turn out to be very true.
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Hey Meyerse just wait until I'm totally moved into our house and have everything up and ready. You can come over and I'll modify a flat for an underfolder.
Right now I'm still boxing crap up in the garage and getting it moved to the new place. I would say in a week or so you could make the trip. Right now I need to get back to getting stuff out of here.
Right now I'm still boxing crap up in the garage and getting it moved to the new place. I would say in a week or so you could make the trip. Right now I need to get back to getting stuff out of here.
Stickerman;
With an offer like that I'll hold off. Let me know how things are going and I'll come down and maybe do more than one. Like I said before, I'll pitch in something for use of "shop time"! I'm moving so slowly on putting one together because I'm teaching Undergrad Statistics this semester.
With an offer like that I'll hold off. Let me know how things are going and I'll come down and maybe do more than one. Like I said before, I'll pitch in something for use of "shop time"! I'm moving so slowly on putting one together because I'm teaching Undergrad Statistics this semester.
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Not a problem. Just send me an e-mail in a week or two when you think you could head over. Maybe when Midway has some headspace gauges in stock you can grab some. I was going to have a friend go by and get a set a few weeks ago, but I didn't have time to get it taken care of.
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Stickerman,Stickerman said:
Good luck with your move! I just got through with one myself and I'm glad its over with. It definitely put a stand still to my building. I am just now getting spun back up!
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still waiting on a replacment underfolder stock for a so called russian ak sent old one back per thier instructions guess i have to spend a buck and call them to find out were it is
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We're on the last two days of moving!!!!!! I will have my milling machine taken over tomorrow. Then I have to run some 220v wiring and I should have everything ready to be back to working on jigs on Monday.
Now I remember why I said I never wanted to move again after the last time.
Now I remember why I said I never wanted to move again after the last time.
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Global has started a pre-order list on the underfolding receivers. If you have a FFL on file with them, you can get on it. I was told there was a 2-3 week wait when I got on over a week ago. Global will not pre-charge your card the way Joeken does. The Global receiver is the shitnz too, if you can deal with narrowing the trunions. I've built a couple already and it isn't that hard.
As far a Joeken, I have experienced long delays and precharging of my CC . So far, they do come through eventually though. If you stress about waiting and worry about it, avoid them. They will do it to you and complaining doesn't seem to do anything but raise the complainer's blood pressure. I still buy from them if they have something at a unmatched price, but I fully expect the runaround for a while. That's been the Joeken game, don't play if it bothers you.
s & p
As far a Joeken, I have experienced long delays and precharging of my CC . So far, they do come through eventually though. If you stress about waiting and worry about it, avoid them. They will do it to you and complaining doesn't seem to do anything but raise the complainer's blood pressure. I still buy from them if they have something at a unmatched price, but I fully expect the runaround for a while. That's been the Joeken game, don't play if it bothers you.
s & p
Well I ordered two underfolder kits, two receivers, and a complete underfolder build.
All of the above are the PLO russian variety.
When my two kits arrived they both had cut rear trunnions.
I called and talked to Joe and was pretty pissed since I had asked about the trunnions beforehand.
He said the salesman had misunderstood me and that they were out of kits with undamaged rear trunnions, period.
He offered to swap out some bad furniture in exchange for the trouble.
OK, so I'll get it welded and machined back up, I figured.
Then, on further inspection I found one of the kits was a bad bore rifle.
Rusted and pitted in the barrel at the muzzle end.
This time I sent an angry email accusing them of stalling on my kits while they picked out the good ones for the builds.
I got no reply.
Sent a PM to AKMike via gunsnet and he passed the matter on to Andrew, who called me the next business day with an apology.
He offered a "select" kit as a replacement and even offered to ship it without billing my card or waiting on the returned kit.
He was off work today so I don't know if it's been shipped, but my returned kit is on its way.
That's where things stand at the moment.
AKMike has been pretty cool trying to get things ironed out.
As far as the receivers go - they vaguely mentioned an engraving service when I first ordered my stuff (matching serial numbers, USSR stamp).
Now that they are suposedly setting up their engraving machine, I told them to go ahead and take their time to get the receivers correct.
The new batch of receivers supposedly have the rail step-down issue fixed.
And I sent two emails to them trying to convince them to offer the Cryillic selector markings as an option, which would be good for business.
On the cut trunnions issue, I was told that in order to fix it, they only had mismatched trunnions there ie; chinese, and they didn't want to piss me off further by sending me a bogus trunnion.
My position is - I would rather have a real Soviet AKM kit with a repairable rear trunnion than no kit at all, so I'm bending over at the moment and paying for something that was not as advertised.
The trunnion repairs will be a simple matter of welding a 1/8" plate along the demill cuts, reshaping it, then milling the thickness back down to where it should be. At least the receiver holes will line up, since the front two trunnion holes can be drilled from the receiver.
Now for the good :
The one kit I do have, in spite of a "force matched bolt and carrier" and cut rear trunnion, appears to be BRAND NEW !
There is no sign of wear on the parkerizing or any parts, and the wood looks new, oily as hell, but new. In fact, If I could get another kit exactly like that one I would even pay their new higher price.
The jury's not in as far as whether I'm getting screwed or not. When I get all of my stuff finally I will know. It seems that many of the problems there are from a lack of manpower, competence, or both, and not necessarily dishonesty. Of course I may be back here to eat these words in a couple of weeks or months. Some people waited a lot longer than me for kits, and one guy I know of got his this week with no damage and excellent trunnions, so I don't know whether hes lying to me (Joe) about the intact trunnion kits being unavailable. (The other guy was way ahead of me in line for a kit.)
At the beginning of all of this I was very clear to them that my card was NOT to be billed till things were ready to ship, and they have complied.
If I do get lied to (again?) I will go WAY out of my way to file complaints with the Arizona State AG office, the City of Winslow Chamber of Commerce, The BBB, and Visa, not to mention taking out an ad in the Winslow paper relating my experience. But for the time being I'm giving Joe the benefit of the doubt, and I'll even thank him if or when it looks like I got a fair deal.
All of the above are the PLO russian variety.
When my two kits arrived they both had cut rear trunnions.
I called and talked to Joe and was pretty pissed since I had asked about the trunnions beforehand.
He said the salesman had misunderstood me and that they were out of kits with undamaged rear trunnions, period.
He offered to swap out some bad furniture in exchange for the trouble.
OK, so I'll get it welded and machined back up, I figured.
Then, on further inspection I found one of the kits was a bad bore rifle.
Rusted and pitted in the barrel at the muzzle end.
This time I sent an angry email accusing them of stalling on my kits while they picked out the good ones for the builds.
I got no reply.
Sent a PM to AKMike via gunsnet and he passed the matter on to Andrew, who called me the next business day with an apology.
He offered a "select" kit as a replacement and even offered to ship it without billing my card or waiting on the returned kit.
He was off work today so I don't know if it's been shipped, but my returned kit is on its way.
That's where things stand at the moment.
AKMike has been pretty cool trying to get things ironed out.
As far as the receivers go - they vaguely mentioned an engraving service when I first ordered my stuff (matching serial numbers, USSR stamp).
Now that they are suposedly setting up their engraving machine, I told them to go ahead and take their time to get the receivers correct.
The new batch of receivers supposedly have the rail step-down issue fixed.
And I sent two emails to them trying to convince them to offer the Cryillic selector markings as an option, which would be good for business.
On the cut trunnions issue, I was told that in order to fix it, they only had mismatched trunnions there ie; chinese, and they didn't want to piss me off further by sending me a bogus trunnion.
My position is - I would rather have a real Soviet AKM kit with a repairable rear trunnion than no kit at all, so I'm bending over at the moment and paying for something that was not as advertised.
The trunnion repairs will be a simple matter of welding a 1/8" plate along the demill cuts, reshaping it, then milling the thickness back down to where it should be. At least the receiver holes will line up, since the front two trunnion holes can be drilled from the receiver.
Now for the good :
The one kit I do have, in spite of a "force matched bolt and carrier" and cut rear trunnion, appears to be BRAND NEW !
There is no sign of wear on the parkerizing or any parts, and the wood looks new, oily as hell, but new. In fact, If I could get another kit exactly like that one I would even pay their new higher price.
The jury's not in as far as whether I'm getting screwed or not. When I get all of my stuff finally I will know. It seems that many of the problems there are from a lack of manpower, competence, or both, and not necessarily dishonesty. Of course I may be back here to eat these words in a couple of weeks or months. Some people waited a lot longer than me for kits, and one guy I know of got his this week with no damage and excellent trunnions, so I don't know whether hes lying to me (Joe) about the intact trunnion kits being unavailable. (The other guy was way ahead of me in line for a kit.)
At the beginning of all of this I was very clear to them that my card was NOT to be billed till things were ready to ship, and they have complied.
If I do get lied to (again?) I will go WAY out of my way to file complaints with the Arizona State AG office, the City of Winslow Chamber of Commerce, The BBB, and Visa, not to mention taking out an ad in the Winslow paper relating my experience. But for the time being I'm giving Joe the benefit of the doubt, and I'll even thank him if or when it looks like I got a fair deal.
Well I think that tells me about all I need to know. Ive been wanting a russian kit so bad its killing me but have been holding off to see if joeken would ever get it together. After waiting for my rivet kit and video for two months and about 28 bucks in long distance calls to Andrew at joeken I finally got my rivet kit and video in. That was a waste of money LOL. Its bad when they have to tell the customer to call tomorow and remind them to ship your item.LOL. I got that every day for about two weeks and when it was all said and done they didnt even have the rivet kits in stock. With the price of the russian kits gone up now that tells me that they are starting to run low on stock and all thats left are bottom of the barrel kits. I think Ill just pass on the russian for now. Maybe another company will get some in. Oh and I dont recomend the rivet kit. The tips of the tools are not the right shape. They make your rivets look like the shape of tuxedo cuff links. I boxed up the kit and didnt even use it. I made myself a set of rivet tools that put joekens to shame.
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