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I used to love to explore old mines out in the Mojave Desert. I was repeling down into one, about halfway to the bottom was a cross beam. When I passed it there was nothing.

I went a little further down, suddenly there was a sound like I had never heard. I had a light on my hardhat, turned and looked down. It looked like spagetti, hundreds of rattlers, all buzzing at the same time.

I started to assend, when I got even with the afore mentioned cross beam, one of those suckers struck at my face. Then things got kinda crazy, the snake seamed to go insane and wrapped around my face.

What had happened was, I had vent holes in my hat, the snakes fangs went into the holes and his bottom jaw was hung up under the edge of the hat.

I had a couple of drinks that day.

 

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Lupe........I would have had a lot more than a couple of drinks.:eek:
 

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Damn Lupe, you were lucky that day. Just think if you would have made it all the way to the bottom.
 

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Sounds like a good time, lol :).
 

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I believe that hard hat would still be at the bottom of that shaft if it had been on my head...
My hands were busy like little eggbeaters gettin me up that rope, all I wanted at the time was outa that hole.
 

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Lupeloff said:
My hands were busy like little eggbeaters gettin me up that rope, all I wanted at the time was outa that hole.
Well, to be honest, i said the hard hat would be at the bottom, but in truth my head would still be in it as I ripped both from my body in trying to get it off.

I take it you weren't using any kind of ascenders....other than busy little hands.....to get up that rope?
 

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Glad you didn't get it in the face though, man would that have sucked beyond words.
 

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There are two kinds of snakes I don't like, big ones and little ones.
 

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shoot first, ask later is my motto for snakes.....lol


actually I have learned to identify certain snakes and I won't kill them, I'll just escort them outta my yard quickly--if I can't tell what it is & if it doesn't leave on its own--it won't leave in one piece......
 

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Lupeloff,

Strong little beggers aren't they?

Always surprised me how much strength even a small one could exhibit if he got riled.

I'm pretty ambivalent about snakes, they eat a lot of rodents, and they're kind of tasty (never seem to be enough to go around), but like Taz said, they get one chance to get away from people, kids or animals. then it's over for them.

Probably the first lesson my Grandad ever taught me about being in the woods is that you NEVER put your hands or feet anyplace you can't see what's there first . And you walk around everything, you never step over a log, downed tree or rock, you walk around.

Knowing that has saved me some excitement once or twice.

Last I heard (One of my oldest friends is a herpatologist) about 2500 people get bit by poisonus snakes in the U.S. every year. But only about 250 die from it, mostly kids and old farts. Still, you can survive but it will take a year or two to get over the bite.

Anyplace around the head, face or neck is very very bad news. Had a neighbor back in the '40's who came home pretty drunk one night, and his wife heard him cussin the kids for leaving a strap of harness on the porch, as he picked it up.

Four foot Eastern diamondback got him just under the jaw, he killed the snake but he was dead 20 minutes later, as they were trying to get him to a Hospital.

Snakes don't bother me much, and I used to do a little (very little) caving.

But your combination of dark cold holes in the ground AND snakes, just scares the Bejezzus out of me.

I think I'd have had that hat bronzed and put on a plaque, with a nice inscription on a brass plate, to commerate my last ever mine exploration.

Great pictures.
 

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You should notify someone about that - obviously a nest and is a danger. Need to have someone deal with that - presumably relocate or eradicate. Or close the shaft. 1 or 2 snakes - OK, but a hole nest in that type of situation is just bad and shouldn't be ignored.
 

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Mojaves are pretty nasty too, they won't hesitate to bite. I've handled several and they were all the pissiest rattlesnakes I've ever come into contact with.
 

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Polish Taipan said:
... I've handled several....
Huh? While I readily concede that good judgment is a highly over-rated virtue, I either leave rattlesnakes alone or, if they're near my house, beat them severely about the head and shoulders.
 

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hcpookie said:
You should notify someone about that - obviously a nest and is a danger. Need to have someone deal with that - presumably relocate or eradicate. Or close the shaft. 1 or 2 snakes - OK, but a hole nest in that type of situation is just bad and shouldn't be ignored.
Over 20 years ago and over 30 miles off road.
 

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Dzerzhinsky, look at the pic I posted near the beginning of the thread. Thats me with my Blacktail rattlesnake "Buttons". I used to be a herpetologist, and have handled everything from Black Mambas to Blind snakes. Thats why I posted the smart *ss coment about it sounding like a good time. I don't advocate that most people ever try to mess with snakes at all, they are best left alone. In fact by far the majority of the bites in the US are people attempting to kill a snake. Most of those are males from 18 to 30, and involvement of liquor is not too uncommon.
 

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Polish, in "Camping and Woodcraft", an outdoorsy classic by Kephart, published in the 1920's, he tells an anecdote about antidotes to rattlesnake bites.

An old desert rat type tells him that the thing to do is to drink at least a fifth of liquor, immobilize yourself by getting blind drunk, and stay where you are until you've slept it off.

"But what would you do if you didn't have any whisky?"

"Why I'd kill any snake so mean as to bite me when I didn't have whisky."

Question: I've read that passing the current from a stun gun through a rattlesnake bite will neutralize the venom. Know anything about that?
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
Polish, in "Camping and Woodcraft", an outdoorsy classic by Kephart, published in the 1920's, he tells an anecdote about antidotes to rattlesnake bites.

An old desert rat type tells him that the thing to do is to drink at least a fifth of liquor, immobilize yourself by getting blind drunk, and stay where you are until you've slept it off.

"But what would you do if you didn't have any whisky?"

"Why I'd kill any snake so mean as to bite me when I didn't have whisky."

Question: I've read that passing the current from a stun gun through a rattlesnake bite will neutralize the venom. Know anything about that?

OOOFFF alcohol and snake venom do NOT mix well. The whole stun gun/ shock yourself with the car battery was all bunk. What most people don't realize is that it is not unncommon for snakes to "dry" bite. (In fact the only bite I've ever had was a dry bite.) This has lead to all sorts of folk medicine treatments for snakebites that in reality don't work at all. Same goes for the "Extractor Kits". There's no clinical evidence that they do anything at all for a someone thats been bitten. No that being said, I don't think I'd hestitate to use one if a Black Mamba had gotten me way out in BFE. But for rattlesnakes I'd just seek prompt medical care.
For what its worth as a side note, even though the Mojave is extremely toxic for a Noth American snake, I'd still rather get bitten by one than a bite from another rattlesnake like a Western Diamondback. Why? Way less tissue damage and a faster recovery. I'd take the extra risk over the possiblity of surgery on a limb due to compartment syndrome.
 
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