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The slippery slope...................

Death by Committee
What the Groningen Protocol says about our world, and where it might lead next.
by Hugh Hewitt
12/02/2004 12:00:00 AM

WHEN NEWS of the Groningen Protocol surfaced in October, it was reported in the Grand Forks Herald,though I didn't read of it, nor apparently did many others. The Groningen Protocol could have been the stuff of a fine presidential debate question, or a series of questions, but I doubt if any of the debate moderators or either of the presidential candidates had heard of it either. It is an intriguing title, but it should enter the history books as shorthand for an appalling brutality, so appalling in fact, that "The Groningen Protocol" could have been an entry on the agenda at the Wannsee Conference.

The Groningen Protocol is the proposal of doctors in the Netherlands for the establishment of an "independent committee" charged with selecting babies and other severely handicapped or disabled people for euthanasia. The original article provides some of the key details:


Under the Groningen protocol, if doctors at the hospital think a child is suffering unbearably from a terminal condition, they have the authority to end the child's life. The protocol is likely to be used primarily for newborns, but it covers any child up to age 12.

The hospital, beyond confirming the protocol in general terms, refused to discuss its details.

"It is for very sad cases," said a hospital spokesman, who declined to be identified. "After years of discussions, we made our own protocol to cover the small number of infants born with such severe disabilities that doctors can see they have extreme pain and no
hope for life. Our estimate is that it will not be used but 10 to 15 times a year."

A parent's role is limited under the protocol. While experts and critics familiar with the policy said a parent's wishes to let a child live or die naturally most likely would be considered, they note that the decision must be professional, so rests with doctors.


On Tuesday the AP carried a second story, and Drudge broadcast the news to the cyber world: The protocol was already in effect, and at least four babies had been deemed disposable, and killed.

This is either a low point, or a point of no return. The establishment of "independent committees" to dispatch non-consenting humans is nothing but a death penalty committee for innocents. Once begun, it is impossible--simply impossible--to limit the concept with any bright line. Abortion, of course, has always been limited by the physical act of birth, and once out of the womb, only the most extreme "reproductive rights" advocates have argued that the baby's natural right to live can be compromised by the mother. But now the Netherlands has gone farther--much, much farther. If the "severely retarded" may be killed upon appropriate motion, second, debate, and majority vote, why not the moderately retarded? Why not the mildly retarded? Why not, in fact, anyone the "independent committee" deems as usefully dispatched.

Incredibly, the nation's elite media has turned a collective blind eye to this story, though the Los Angeles Times did, on the day following the Drudge headline, find time to put on the paper's front page, above the fold, the story that Salmon and Steelhead May Lose Protection, but not a column inch of ink for a radical leap past Kevorkian land into the regions of Mengele.

LAST WEEK I marveled at the casual manner with which the Target Corporation announced that the Salvation Army could no longer place its kettles and ring its bells outside the giant retailer's 1,500+ stores. It was a callous and Scrooge-like act, one that I and thousands of others found sufficiently appalling as to oblige us not to shop at the store this season. I noted the irony of a retailer grown fat on Christmas gift sales tossing the charity most closely aligned with the public's image of Christmas spirit.

How foolish to imagine that actions such as Target's would offend greatly when protocol's such as Groningen's pass without comment before the eyes of editorialists and talking heads. Four years into the new century, and one can only guess where it will end. I do not think it is safe to bet that these next 96 years will be less bloody that the years 1905 to 1999.
 

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DADDY WARBUCKS
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Read the post I put up about Singer and his philosphy. Pretty much all the way down the slippery slope.
 

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"The protocol is likely to be used primarily for newborns, but it covers any child up to age 12."

Hmm, that was quite nice of them. They allow 13 year olds to decide if they want to be killed or not." Those 12 and under better not misbehave and make their parents mad at them.
 

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Once you start thinking that some life is more valuable than others you have broken down vital walls that prevent murder and genocide. We all get old, sick and perhaps disabled. You can not put the value of life on a scale with the monetary cost on the other end nor should you measure a life's value by the weight of it's burden to others.
 

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Grendeljaeger said:
Once you start thinking that some life is more valuable than others you have broken down vital walls that prevent murder and genocide. We all get old, sick and perhaps disabled. You can not put the value of life on a scale with the monetary cost on the other end nor should you measure a life's value by the weight of it's burden to others.
Exactly! Those are the words I couldn't find. :thumbup1:
 

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Grendeljaeger said:
Once you start thinking that some life is more valuable than others you have broken down vital walls that prevent murder and genocide. We all get old, sick and perhaps disabled. You can not put the value of life on a scale with the monetary cost on the other end nor should you measure a life's value by the weight of it's burden to others.
Mankind did exactly that for most of its history. Too many girls? Kill them.
Old, sick or disabled? Put them on an ice floe or otherwise abandon them.

We are reverting to tribalism only with high tech.
 

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How about the Eskimos? When the old folks teeth all fell out and they could not chew the whale blubber anymore, they would put them outside the igloo at night and let nanook eliminate their burden on society.

But when the life raft gets full, what are ya gonna do? GG
 

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gordon gauge said:
How about the Eskimos? When the old folks teeth all fell out and they could not chew the whale blubber anymore, they would put them outside the igloo at night and let nanook eliminate their burden on society.

But when the life raft gets full, what are ya gonna do? GG
Yep. And we still deal with those issues but somewhat quietly.

Do you do a hip replacement surgery or heart transplant for a 95 year old?
 

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My mother inlaw was basiclly overdose on pain meds when she had cancer. She no hope of living and I was blown away at the amount of pain meds she was given.

4 valium 10 MG 2 Perkosets, 2 others plus anti nausia drugs at 4 hour intervals. She stopped breathing and died after 3-4 days like that and you could tell the pain was enormous from her reactions. Terribly sad.........
 

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I watched my dad make some poor, but understandable calls about trying to keep my mother alive. 6 months of watching her in a coma, on a respirator and turning black from the feet upwards like a rotting plant.
 

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Sounds to me like a direct violation of the Hippocratic oath.
 
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