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Umm? It's part of our history? What next? We were wrong to fight in WW2?

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Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School
Wed Nov 24, 2004 04:12 PM ET

By Dan Whitcomb
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence.

Steven Williams, a fifth-grade teacher at Stevens Creek School in the San Francisco Bay area suburb of Cupertino, sued for discrimination on Monday, claiming he had been singled out for censorship by principal Patricia Vidmar because he is a Christian.

"It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men, and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," said Williams' attorney, Terry Thompson.

"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country," he said. "There is nothing in the Establishment Clause (of the U.S. Constitution) that prohibits a teacher from showing students the Declaration of Independence."

Vidmar could not be reached for comment on the lawsuit, which was filed on Monday in U.S. District Court in San Jose and claims violations of Williams rights to free speech under the First Amendment.

Phyllis Vogel, assistant superintendent for Cupertino Unified School District, said the lawsuit had been forwarded to a staff attorney. She declined to comment further.

Williams asserts in the lawsuit that since May he has been required to submit all of his lesson plans and supplemental handouts to Vidmar for approval, and that the principal will not permit him to use any that contain references to God or Christianity.

Among the materials she has rejected, according to Williams, are excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists" and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania."

"He hands out a lot of material and perhaps 5 to 10 percent refers to God and Christianity because that's what the founders wrote," said Thompson, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, which advocates for religious freedom. "The principal seems to be systematically censoring material that refers to Christianity and it is pure discrimination."

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the case of a California atheist who wanted the words "under God" struck from the Pledge of Allegiance as recited by school children. The appeals court in California had found that the phrase amounted to a violation of church and state separation.
 

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I'm with you Sang, this goes along with your post.

DID YOU KNOW?

As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S.
Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's
law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full
frontal view - it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors
have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.


DID YOU KNOW?

As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above
where the Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?

There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal
Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

DID YOU KNOW?

James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our
Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole
of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for
self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to
control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of
God."

DID YOU KNOW?

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country
said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation
was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on
the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

DID YOU KNOW?

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher,
whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.

DID YOU KNOW?

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of
the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their
authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law....an
oligarchy.... the rule of few over many.

DID YOU KNOW?

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans
should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done
for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

Please forward this to everyone you can.

Lets put it around the world and let the world see and remember what this country
was built on.
 

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I'm not surprised. The Declaration of Independence clearly states that our rights were endowed by a "Creator," which contradicts everything socialists and atheists hold dear.
 

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This shows how out of step these people teaching our children can be. I hope it looks as ridiculous to the rest of the country as it does to us.
 

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This shows how out of step these people teaching our children can be. I hope it looks as ridiculous to the rest of the country as it does to us.
It isn't the teacher out of step it is the Scientoligist and their ilk. Adminstrators at schools are so affraid of being sued that they will do anything they can to stop it. Thing is with out those documents, those hosers raising a stink wouldn't even have the right to say anything.
 

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Thanks Preacher............I've saved that.......got a feeling it's gonna come in handy later.:)
 

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I meant the educators as a whole, especially in places like California. You are right that teacher is one of the very few that is willing to take them on.
 

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Thanks Preacher............I've saved that.......got a feeling it's gonna come in handy later.:)
There's pictures that goes with it that didn't come through. It works by e-mail though. Anyone interesed I'll send them to you.
 

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Well, does it suprise you, that in these indoctronation centers we call schools, that they don't whant the youth of today to know the rights they ar garunteed??

Just think, if the youngster never here of the constitution, and their kids don't and so on.. In 2 generations, all of our freedom can be taken without a shot fired...

I am sad that my kids have to attend public indoctonation centers, er ahh, I meen public schools..
 

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Well, does it suprise you, that in these indoctronation centers we call schools, that they don't whant the youth of today to know the rights they ar garunteed??

Just think, if the youngster never here of the constitution, and their kids don't and so on.. In 2 generations, all of our freedom can be taken without a shot fired...

I am sad that my kids have to attend public indoctonation centers, er ahh, I meen public schools..
That's one of the main reasons my brother home-schools.
 

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Right behind you Cephus. Good idea.

Public Information Officer
Supreme Court of the United States
Washington, DC 20543.

Public Information Office: 202-479-3211
 

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That's one of the main reasons my brother home-schools.
I sent my so to private schools from 4th grade thru college, after HS he went to West Point but had to leave due to a heart condition called PSVT. After three tries we got his heart fixed but he could not return to the Point because he left there with a medical discharge. He attended Thomas Aquinas College in Santa Paula, CA and listed below was his course of studies.

Freshman Year

Seminar

Homer Iliad, Odyssey Plato Ion, Republic, Symposium Aeschylus Agamemnon, Choephoroe, Eumenides Sophocles Oedipus Rex, Oedipus at Colonus, Antigone Herodotus Histories Aristotle Poetics, Rhetoric Plutarch Lives (Lycurgus, Pericles, Alcibiades, Aristides, Alexander) Euripides Hippolytus Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War Aristophanes The Birds, The Clouds Language

Wheelock Latin: An Introductory Course Based on Ancient Authors Nesfield Aids to the Study and Composition of English Mathematics

Euclid Elements Laboratory

Aristotle Parts of Animals DeKoninck The Lifeless World of Biology Fabre Souvenirs Entomologiques Galen On the Natural Faculties Harvey On the Motion of the Heart and Blood, On Animal Generation Linnaeus Systema Naturae Pascal On the Equilibrium of Liquids Archimedes On Floating Bodies Mendel Plant Hybridization various authors Scientific papers of Driesch, Gould, Marler, Tinbergen, Goethe, Virchow, von Frisch, et alia Measurements Manual Philosophy

Plato Meno, Protagoras, Gorgias, Apology, Crito, Phaedo Porphyry On the Predicaments (Isagoge) Aristotle Categories, On Interpretation, Prior Analytics, Posterior Analytics, Topics St. Thomas Aquinas Proem to the Posterior Analytics Theology

The Holy Bible Sophomore Year

Seminar

Vergil Aeneid Lucretius On the Nature of Things Cicero Offices Livy Ab Urbe Conditia Plutarch Lives(Marcellus, Tiberius & Caius Gracchus, Marius, Sylla, Caesar, Cato the Younger, Brutus) Tacitus Annals Epictetus Manual St. Augustine Confessions, On the Teacher Boethius Consolation of Philosophy Dante Divine Comedy Chaucer Canterbury Tales Spenser Faerie Queen St. Thomas Aquinas On the Teacher Language

Wheelock Latin: An Introductory Course Based on Ancient Authors Martin of Denmark Tractus De Modis Significandi Horace, Cicero Selections St. Thomas Aquinas Selections
Canon of the Mass Mathematics

Plato Timaeus Ptolemy Almagest Copernicus Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres Apollonius On Conic Sections Kepler Epitome of Copernican Astronomy, Astronomia Nova Archimedes On Conoids and Spheroids Laboratory

Aristotle On Generation and Corruption St. Thomas Aquinas On the Principles of Nature,
On the Combination of the Elements
Lavoisier Elements of Chemistry Avogadro Masses and Proportions of Elementary Molecules Dalton Proportion of Gases in the Atmosphere Gay-Lussac Combination of Gaseous Substances Pascal Treatise on the Weight of the Mass of the Air various authors Scientific papers of Berthollet, Couper, Lavoisier, Mendeleev, Richter, Wollaston, Cannizzaro, et alia Atomic Theory Manual


Philosophy

Pre-Socratic Philosophers Fragments Aristotle Physics
On the Soul
Theology

St. Augustine On Christian Doctrine,On the Spirit and the Letter, On Nature and Grace, On the Gift of Perseverance, On the Predestination of the Saints, City of God St. Athanasius On the Incarnation Gaunilo On Behalf of the Fool St. Anselm Proslogion, Reply to Gaunilo St. John Damascene An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith Junior Year

Seminar

Cervantes Don Quixote St. Thomas Aquinas On Kingship, Summa Theologiae Machiavelli The Prince, Discourses Bacon The Great Instauration, Novum Organum Shakespeare Julius Caesar, King Richard the Second, King Henry the Fourth: Part One, Hamlet, King Lear, Othello, Macbeth, Twelfth Night, The Tempest, Sonnets Montaigne Essays Descartes Discourse on Method, Meditations, Rules for the Direction of the Mind Pascal Pens?es Hobbes Leviathan Locke Essay Concerning Human Understanding, Second Essay on Civil Government Berkeley Treatise Concerning Human Understanding Hume An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding Swift Gulliver's Travels Milton Paradise Lost Gibbon Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Corneille Le Cid Racine Phaedre Rousseau Social Contract, Discourse on the Origin of Inequality Spinoza Theologico-Political Treatise various authors Articles of Confederation Declaration of Independence U.S. Constitution Hamilton, Madison, Jay Federalist Papers Smith Wealth of Nations Kant Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics, Critique of Pure Reason, Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals Leibniz Discourse on Metaphysics Music

Plato Timaeus Boethius On Music Mozart Sonatas Gustin Tonality Mathematics

Viete Standard Enumeration of Geometric Results, Introduction to the Analytic Art Descartes Geometry Archimedes Quadrature of the Parabola Griffin Mathematical Analysis various authors Mathematical works of Hippocrates, Archimedes, Cavalieri, Pascal, Leibniz, Bernoulli, Newton, Berkeley, Bolzano, et alia Laboratory

Descartes Principles of Philosophy Galileo Two New Sciences Newton Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy Philosophy



Aristotle Nicom. Ethics
Politics
Theology

St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae:

On Sacred Doctrine
On God
On Law


Senior Year

Seminar

Tolstoy War and Peace Goethe Faust Hegel Phenomenology of Mind, Philosophy of History Flaubert Three Tales Feuerbach Essence of Christianity J. S. Mill Utilitarianism Marx Capital, Communist Manifesto, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, German Ideology Melville Billy Budd Willa Cather My Antonia Engels Quantity and Quality, Negation of the Negation Darwin Origin of Species Nietzsche Beyond Good and Evil, Use and Abuse of History Twain Huckleberry Finn Austen Emma Freud General Introduction to Psychoanalysis Jung Analytical Psychology Newman Development of Christian Doctrine Kierkegaard Fear and Trembling, Philosophical Fragments Ibsen A Doll's House Dostoyevski Brothers Karamazov Eliot Ash Wednesday, Journey of the Magi, The Waste Land St. Pius X Pascendi Dominici Gregis Leo XIII Aeterni Patris, Rerum Novarum Pius XI Quadragesimo Anno Pius XII Humani Generis Vatican II Lumen Gentium Plato Phaedrus Vico The New Science Tocqueville Democracy in America, The Old Regime and the French Revolution Husserl The Idea of Phenomenology Lincoln and Douglas Debates Flannery O'Connor A Good Man is Hard to Find, The Enduring Chill St. Thomas Aquinas The Division and Method of the Sciences Mathematics

Pascal Generation of Conic Sections Taylor Integral Calculus Dedekind Essay on the Theory of Numbers Lobachevski Geometrical Researches on the Theory of Parallels Laboratory

Einstein Relativity: The Special and General Theory Huygens Treatise on Light Newton Optiks Maxwell A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism Gilbert De Magnete Ampere Papers various authors Mechanics, Waves, and Optics Manual
Electricity and Magnetism Manual Philosophy

Aristotle Physics, Metaphysics St. Thomas Aquinas On Being and Essence Theology

St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae: On the Trinity, On the Sacraments, On the Passion of Christ
 

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SangRun Hunter said:
That's a tough first year! He must be a very smart young man!
Sang.........he has finished all four years and got his degree.......he posts on this board as SouthernPartisan. :smoke:
 

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Guess they will have to ban the California State Constitution in the classroom, too.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
PREAMBLE

We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this
Constitution.
 

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This is too unreal. Don't get me wrong, I know people from California that are great people. But that is going a little to far. I'm not downing California and you folks out there have all my support to fight this. It's only a matter of time before it hits home.
 

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DorGunR, you have every right to be a proud Daddy, and I'm sure you son thinks the best Daddy in the world. I won't argue with him, either!
 

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WOW !

That's an education!

Didn't know you could get one like that in the U.S any more!

I'm heartened and impressed!

Most people just settle for schooling and a Certificate of Attendance.

Isn't it amazing what an intelligent person can accomplish if their time isn't wasted on Mandatory classes like Womens Studies, African History, Ecological Responsibility, Destruction of the Rain Forest, The Rise of Unionism in America , Homosexuality, Todays persecutied Minority Socialism,Hope for the future of Mankind and The History of the Civil Rights movement in Modern America? Whoops, I forgot Introductory Athiesm 101.

You've every right to be a VERY proud father!

DorGunR, you done good, real good!.

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Well I think todays students lack motivation for the most part. Heck my parents wanted to go to school and do well because if they didn't they would be in the hay fields or on the farm or doing some other work. Todays kids have it far too easy, the required courses are crap too! I want to be a theatre teacher and they want me to take courses that have no bearing on my choosen profession and for what they charge for school, I should be able to take what I want to take or atleast classes I could apply to my degree. :rant:
 
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