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Do you believe FDR know about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance?

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Maybe Pearl Harbor was not a surprise attack?

The History Channel is revisiting the notion that President Roosevelt knew about the attack in advance, but withheld that information. In a 60 minute installment of the Conspiracy? series, entitled FDR and Pearl Harbor, the long discredited notion is examined again with recently discovered documents.

Frankly, I simply can?t, or won?t, believe FDR willingly allowed the country?s greatest military asset, our Pacific fleet, to be destroyed, so he could take the country into war with a crippled Navy and weak army. As Zell Miller might say, a war fought by what ? "spitballs?" Before Pearl Harbor, our country ranked 11th in the world militarily with our navy intact! We were hardly ready to battle Axis powers with an undermanned and ill equipped army and half our battle fleet crippled or sunk.

But ? maybe, FDR figured there would be minimal losses at Pearl Harbor? After all, there was a belief in segregated America (and elsewhere) that whites were superior. Could the little, yellow Japanese do much damage to the mighty fleet at Pearl? Did FDR underestimate the ability of Imperial Japan?s impressive Navy?

Congress investigated Pearl Harbor in 1946. There were also investigations by the Army and Navy. No conspiracy was found, nor indicated. Still, the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor gave FDR a just cause for War during a time in which 70-80% of Americans wanted no part of the raging global conflict. Many still remembered how our involvement in WW1 resulted in nothing but ridicule from the same countries we aided ? France and Great Britain. Few Americans were willing to again sacrifice our men and resources to bail out the snooty Brits and haughty French in yet another war with Germany. According to several authorities, including Stephen Budiansky author of ?Battle of Wits,? FDR calculated Hitler would declare war on the US, if War broke out between America and Japan, his Tripartite partner. So, an attack on Pearl would likely thrust the US into WW2 against Germany. It is a plausible theory.

There are still classified documents which could shed more light on the matter. Perhaps, the matter will always fester? You can see the newly released documents on which the recent Conspiracy theory is based at: Conspiracy?. They include the Bomb Plot Message, the Lietweiller memo, and the Lurline Log Receipt.
 

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The software's language filter censored J-a-p from the message, where I typed J-a-p-enese and the country name J-a-p-an. I understand why the term was filtered, but I vote we let the word J-a-p be removed from the langauage filter. It can be used derogatorily, but it has been used historically. If used inappropriately, however, as in a personally insulting or racially derogatory manner, I say have a Mod address it. If someone intends to use the word, he or she will find a way to evade the filter. Just my 2 cents! No replies necessary - not an issue.
 

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I had no idea there was a language filter here! I thought we?re all adults and can handle it if someone use?s a Non-PC word. I?m sorry if it offends someone, but they?d better grow up and start living in the real world. Being PC is just a way of forcing the will of a small group over that of a larger one, If you want PC? move to California! And in case you haven?t noticed its not PC to own a gun either! SO SCREW BEING PC!
 

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Oldgunner, I think all Discussion Board software comes with a filter. Usually, cursewords are filtered out, but some may have PC terms, too. It's sort of funny to see what gets filtered, though. Just the nature of the beast! Let's have laugh about it, and get back to posting!

Besides, I spent a lot of time on this topic, so talking about the filter sort of ruins it!
 

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The Warren Commision which I beleive was a congressional ordered Investigation into the JFK assasination also stated no conspiricy was indicated, citing the magic bullet theory for accounting for all the woulds inflicted from just 3 shots. This was one of the biggest lies ever told to the American public, yet the majority of Americans bought it or at least accepted. When it comes to politicians, if there lips are moving, theyr'e probably lieing. ak'sr4me
 

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Keeping things together , that is what it is all about.

JFK: Oswald did it = case closed life moves on. No war over the Russians/ Cubans doing it , etc , whatever your theory is.

Pearl Habor : Japanese attacked = we get in war. War was going to happen. Pull country together, 100% justify us in going to war.

History judges the actions. This is why many records dating back to JFK , Pearl Harbor , and before are still classified.

Facts judged at the moment are judged differently at + 75 years.

Catastrophic events MUST be buttoned up tight e-n-o-u-g-h in the short term , if the country is going to move on.

Imagine us entering the war in 1938 instead of 1941 , because we found out that the Japanese shot down Amelia Earhart and the American people demanded war. As unprepared as we were in 1941 , in 1938 we would have been alot worse off.

Imagine America's resolve if we found out that Glenn Miller's plane was shot down by the USAAF/RAF.

The truth comes out eventually.......Maybe 75 or 100 years later, but maybe in some circumstances that is the way it must be.

Perhaps this is so with 911 / Iraq , we certainly could have gone after 'terrorists' - Osama and Iraq in 1998 when Clinton was in office and he chose to only launch a $100,000,000.00 or so , worth of Tomahawk Cruise Missles Osama's way.

History is the true judge of our actions.
 

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Filter is off now and yes it was a default word in the software.

I would assume the software is built for anyone to use including kids. If you were a school and you setup a messaeg board for 13 year old you might want to filter out curse words.

For this crowd I don't think there is a need.
 
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