Gunco Forums banner

1 - 9 of 9 Posts

·
Friend of MCMXI
Joined
·
8,717 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
This is kinda scary isn't it?

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041130/APF/411301088

Article published Nov 30, 2004
[font=Arial, Helvetica]State boasts first electronic fingerprinting for gun licensing

By KAREN TESTA
AP Business Writer


With a quick electronic scan of a fingerprint, gun shop owners in Massachusetts will know immediately if a customer is eligible to buy a weapon, using a system that officials say is the first of its kind in the nation.

The Massachusetts Instant Record Check System, developed over the past six years with nearly $7 million in information technology grant money, will be in place in all police departments and gun shops across the state by next summer. It is currently operating in three shops and about 140 police departments.

The system allows police and gun shop owners to have instant access to updated arrest warrant and restraining order information, which was not readily accessible under the old paperwork-intensive system.

"It represents a real quantum leap in public safety information technology applications," said Public Safety Secretary Ed Flynn, who planned to unveil the new system Wednesday at the Four Seasons Firearms shop in Woburn.

"This enables us to make sure that the only people bearing arms in the commonwealth have the right to bear arms," he said.

With the system, Massachusetts becomes the first state in the nation with a biometric-based firearms license and sales application, Flynn said. Biometrics are physical identifiers, such as facial photographs and fingerprints.

Gun owners have long complained that the process of getting a license is cumbersome and time-consuming, often taking weeks or months.

Under the old system, individual police departments are the licensing authority. They must take a fingerprint manually and paste a photograph onto a license, which was much bigger than a driver's license.

Under the new system, local police will still be the licensing authority, but fingerprints and photographs will be taken electronically and stored in the statewide system. The license will be produced by the state's Criminal History Systems Board and fit into a wallet, much like a driver's license.

Philip Mahoney, police chief in Woburn, one of the first communities in the state to test the system, said one of the biggest benefits is knowing immediately if a person licensed through that city has become ineligible. Under the old system, a person's criminal history would only be updated after the license expired, or if police happened to learn of an arrest.

"Until he came in for renewal, we would not have had any knowledge of that," Mahoney said. "Now it would be an automatic suspension."

That would also show up at a gun shop. For example, if a restraining order is issued at midnight against someone with a gun license, that license record would be updated. If that person tried to buy a weapon the next day, he would be denied.

It also eliminates paperwork for gunshop owners, who now have to pay 50 cents per form per gun, and alert the state of each sale.

"You hit the button, before the customer leaves the store the state knows they purchased that firearm," said Carl Ingrao, owner of Four Seasons Firearms in Woburn.

The new electronic system is in addition to a federal instant check that is conducted by telephone before a weapon sale is completed. The state is working with federal authorities to further streamline that process.

Jim Wallace, executive director of the Gun Owners Action League, said the state had not involved gun owners in the development of the technology. But he was looking forward to Flynn's demonstration and hopeful the system would cut down on the wait and paperwork for licensing.

"We don't support licensing anyway, but it's a fact of life here in Massachusetts," Wallace said, "and if you're going to mandate it, you better provide it."

[/font]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
625 Posts
The saddest thing is that this sounds completely reasonable to non-gun people, Anti-gun people, Leftist Nazi?s and of Course Communist Infiltrators. OK it?s just that I think the onus should not be on you and me as honest gun owners to give up our privacy or to place ourselves on a list for future gun confiscation. Is it just too hard to track the bad guys and not the law-abiding gun owner? How about spending that seven million on putting real criminals in jail and keeping track of them and not in harassing us gun owners.
 

·
DADDY WARBUCKS
Joined
·
19,433 Posts
Reasonable gun control and states' rights will be the death of the 2nd.
 

·
Gunco Goddess
Joined
·
773 Posts
The fact that they are putting chips into our pets for "their own safety" should alert some to the idea that human chips will be next. Maybe not for gun purchases, but I'm sure they'll come up with some false idea of safety to convince people to voluntarily have them implanted. Who knows what they could be used to monitor? And it wouldn't surprise me if Massachusettes were the first ones to implement it...makes me wonder if those people have a clue, or if they just follow?
 

·
DADDY WARBUCKS
Joined
·
19,433 Posts
The chips are going into adults for security in some countries and won't be long before they are more common for child abduction and health reasons.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,690 Posts
mike26038 said:
The 2nd. will never die while I am ALIVE!!
You'll be dead by then, as will nearly all the members of these forums. The death of liberty as it's traded in for security is an incremental process.

Within a couple of generations folks will think that private firearms ownership is a quaint artifact of a bygone past. They'll think it weird that at one time people actually didn't have electronic tracking of their whereabouts - and that people actually used this thing called "cash" so there were some transactions that were astonishingly enough not subject to governmental monitoring.

In the early 60's had you told folks that Americans would accept DUI checkpoints, would accept having employers require random urine testing for drugs, and would accept having their kids drug-tested at school, folks would have thought you were out of your mind.
 

·
DADDY WARBUCKS
Joined
·
19,433 Posts
You never know when things swing back but I am not all that optimistic.

Freedom was not the natural state of man despite the conventional wisdom of leading philosophers.
 
1 - 9 of 9 Posts
Top