THANKS FOR THE PERSONAL RESPONSE AND YOUR SIDE OF THINGS. IMOO IS RIGHT FOR YOU TO DO IT THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO THINGS. . I HOPE YOU STICK AROUND THIS SITE AND FROM TIME TO TIME HANG OUT AND PROVIDE YOUR INPUT ON WHAT EVER YOU FEEL. IM SURE YOUR BUSY BUT HEARING FROM ONE OF THE PLAYERS IN THIS INDUSTRY IS A GOOD THING. IM SURE THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. IM SURE YOUR ADVICE WOULD BE WELL TAKEN ESPECIALY ON THE INS AND OUT OF MANUFACTURING AND BUILDING AS WELL AS SOME OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS. WELCOMEI am not very happy with what has been said about me and my company. I have been very honest with every one who I/we deal with.
And here's your experiencea problematic owner and opperation from my experience
I have been working with Elk River for over a year. Hector has been great...we discussed the assembly of six Tabuk Plus rifles...I supplied the parts and they, that is Keith, put them together just as we agreed...F I N E workmanship...excellent rifles...Each and every thing we discussed was done to my complete satisfaction...
I've met Hector and Keith and had the tour of ERT&D. Stand up guys, both of them I'd say. Bulldog17 got exactly what he wanted from ERT&D. I have fired one of his rifles and the ammo is the limiting factor. The rifle is a quality piece of work. As soon as anyone shows up with a spec sheet for a standard Tabuk DMR, then we will all know what one really is. I have seen numerous variations photographed and from what I can tell, any style of AK/AKM is as much a Tabuk as all others. Some have PSO scopes, some have PSOP scopes, some have no scope, one even has an RPG sight cobbed on it. Some have long barrels w/slotted flash dispersers, some have what appears to be standard AK barrels and slant breaks. Front sight mounts have either round or oval lightening hole, usually. So, what makes it a Tabuk? Probably the number one factor is the trigger nut aiming it at you. About the only thing for certain is that none of us is likely to live long enough to be able to own a real one legally. We might be able to look at one through glass in a museum someday. Then, we'd know what that one looked like but we'd be no further along to having a standard definition because a Tabuk is firearms folk art from Iraq.
not sure where you are coming from, but the picture that was shown is not a copy of a tabuk. i have seen pictures of the tabuk's,( in and out of the original shipping crates), the long barreled type. both are versions of the yugo M72 style rifles. if you do some research on them they were made to a standard and yes some were later modified by the people of iraq. i just had never seen one that looked like the one posted. i am not sure where you got the idea of the original tabuk being folk art.
i will try to find a couple picture so a compairson can be made.
i am glad that bulldog, that had these built is happy with them. that is really all that matters.
The differences between the Tabuk and the Yugo RPK are in fact few; The semi auto only internals included with the Tabuk is a visually unobvious difference but perhaps the most important. It is this feature that dictates the rifles role as one of precision fire and not suppressive fire. It is also important as it prevents relatively untrained individuals from subjecting the barrel of a rifle intended for precision to full-auto fire, as such would only act to shorten said rifle's useful life.
A more distinguishing difference, and perhaps the most important visual cue, is the fact that the RPK's barrel is finned at the rear near the hand guards and far heavier than a standard AKM (or for that matter the Tabuk). The weight (thickness)of the RPK's barrel exists to facilitate heat distribution via mass and cooling via surface area. Since the option to fire full auto has been omitted (and it is not typical of eastern block long range precision rifles to use heavy barrels for accuracy) the Tabuk, like the SVD and the PSL has a relatively light barrel.
The Tabuk differs from the M72 in some other ways. It has the provision for mounting optics for one, though this is not an unusual accessory on eastern block weapons, and it has a skeletonized buttstock with a cheek piece. A third difference and perhaps the most important (though not definitive) visual cue when identifying the Tabuk is the conspicous lack of a bipod. The bipod, which is not detachable from the M72 (though sometimes removed by undisciplined troops), is quite obvious from afar when attached. It was likely removed to enhance mechanical accuracy, and reduce weight, though if it were left attached it may have added stability (practical accuracy) for long range work.
As it is essentially an accurized, scoped RPK, the Tabuk is subsequently chambered in the RPK's primary caliber, 7.62x39. This is advantageous as it allows the Tabuk to use the same magazines as the AK-47, and Ak-47 Magazines are well made, plentiful, and easy to replace if lost.
there is a lot more on the tabuk that has been written, this is only a small amount of information. if you or bulldog is interested he can go to dragunov.net or ak files forum and they have done a pretty good study on the tabuk rifles.
again, the bottom line of all this is the guy is happy with what he got from elk river. if he wants to call it a tabuk rifle, so be it. it is his rifle.
it just appears not everyone has been happy with what they got from elk river.
have a nice day!
1. I gave them my kits and when it is all over about $1900 for their services. I expect to get what I pay for. I work for a living.I purchased a couple of receivers from ert&d i opted for the tg install since the price was about the same as the going rate of a tg. The first receiver was the wrong caliber and the tg wasnt installed to my spec's. After emailing hector ,everything was taking care of to my satisfaction. He personally called me to apologize and to offer a resolution to the problem. He is a stand up guy in my book. When employees fail to perform properly, all an employer can do is fire them. Which i think he did. I would assume he has the same problem as a great many employers these days. Hard to find good help. I truely believe he is a man of his word and would do what it takes to make things right for his customers. Just my opinion. most young companys have growing pains Give a man a chance to make things right before you go all drama queen on the net.
n467us you can use the pm feature from this forum that is how i contacted himI am not very happy with what has been said about me and my company. I have been very honest with every one who I/we deal with.
We charged accordingly for assembling and finishing a virgin kit.
There was damage to the carrier and the cover, not the bolt that I saw when it came back and I was very pissed off!!! We paid for shipping both ways, replaced everything that was asked to be replaced and more. There wasn't a problem with the head space, I checked it and test fired it before any work was redone.
jmon1490, I can understand being upset I was under the impression that you were happy with your pistol but if there is an ongoing problem it needs to be addressed in order for it to be resolved. I stand behind every job that goes out the door regardless of the circumstance! I would even replace the pistol if that was what would reconcile the problem because that's who I am, I stand behind all work performed.
Hightower, you know me. The reason why you went to Andre is because he was less expensive. I can't blame you for that.
I would never allow anyone to go away unhappy as I was with Gucci-cono to the tune of $6K. I had over $15K there before I retrieved most of my things back that were mostly unsalvagable. I KNOW HOW IT IS TO GET TAKEN!!!
I also lost a complete Romanian 7.62x39 PSL barreled action and parts to Mike Prewitt at MSC before Gucci-cono. This is why I have a full lifetime warranty that follows the rifle, if you are not happy for what ever reason it will be resolved.
Jimmy Streetman and Ron Yates DO NOT WORK FOR ELK RIVER TOOL AND DIE THEY NEVER HAVE OR WILL!!!!
When I purchased the assets of Armory USA not Global Trades, I kept the employees that were here. I was very shocked with the quality of work they were putting out and had to have a complete review of the assembly process even to the point of classes. I ended up firing some and some quit because they didn't want to change from the old Armory ways. I even repaired rifles for free that I never even had a thing to do with because this is who I am and what I stand for....does anyone else?
It has been a "hard row to hoe" since I left Montana (please forgive me God) to come here, everything from stamping presses, cnc machines, spot welders, bad heat treating, employees, wife, exwife etc., etc. yet I have never fogotten why I do this. It isn't for the money, I make half of what I made in Montana doing the same thing. It's for the love of the rifle and the desire to see as many people have a quality receiver and rifle that they can depend on, as possible.
Every week I deal with my wife, ex-wife, 4 living children 3 who live in Canada, my son who died 3 years ago and only lived for 1 and a half hours, 13 employees, the 6 lines of phone ringing, questions are answered no matter how stupid they may seem, walk in custumers are taken care of, atleast 30-40 rifles are returned to their owners, receivers are finished and sold, 200 rifles are refinished for distributers, this is every week.
If anyone has a problem with a rifle that has been assembled here they need to let us know so it can be taken care of, again this is how I do business.
I've run off 3 other genius gunsmiths. In January I hired Cody Baker-15 year AK gunsmith, Santiago Perez-13 year AK gunsmith and Jack Ryan- 6 years AK gunsmith from RPG who all used to work for Arsenal USA. Along with Keith we have the most knowledge and qualifications than any other shop, period!
I challenge anyone who wants to stand in my shoes and tell me how it's done to come try! Then you can tell me how bad a shop I run and for all the very many other great customers, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUAL BUSINESS!!!
I am a Marine, this ship is MY ship. IT WILL NOT SINK!!
Hector E Bennett
Elk River Tool and Die, Inc.
Tried that my friend, but until you have 15 or more posts you cannot use that feature.n467us you can use the pm feature from this forum that is how i contacted him
surf a little im sure you can find a few things to comment on. hell hollar at 4th he loves to talk and is very amusing at times.Tried that my friend, but until you have 15 or more posts you cannot use that feature.
No way. I am watching this one from the side lines.surf a little im sure you can find a few things to comment on. hell hollar at 4th he loves to talk and is very amusing at times.
4th i guess i wasnt clear on my post i was telling him just general conversations to get his post count up. and that you were an interesting person to converse with. i would not pull you in the middle of this.of course i stand behind what i say. its bad when a man feels he has been screwed lord knows i have had my share. thats why i became a hands on guy. i figure why pay somebody to screw your stuff up when you can do it yourself for free.No way. I am watching this one from the side lines.
Yup great ride down from Conn. My sister called me a fat, lazy, self centered S.O.B., inconsiderate, drunken, moron, did I say S.O.B.
All this while the kid was wacking me over the head with a plastic bat at 80 m.p.h. on rt.95.
No Sir. Sidelines. Not my dogfight.