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That's the gossip, anyway...Supposedly neighboring nations (i.e: Qatar)are gearing up by building hospital ships-n-stuff, and stockpiling supplies.
I would NOT be surprised if suddenly Venezuela suddenly got ahold of Weapons of Mass Distraction.

Hmmm Im a-thinkin' that "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is Oil Industry insider speak for "Petroleum"
 

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If you actually find anyone in the world that has a "balanced" attitutude towards/about America/Americans, be sure and let me know....

Personally, I'm about ready to leave the world alone....i.e. as in no more foreign aid, no more disaster relief, no humanitarian relief, ad nauseum.....just kick ass when attack and don't let up. let the rest of the world take care of theirselves for awhile or depend on all the socialist countries to take up the slack.
 

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War is much like air and water on Earth, doesn't stop as long as people are being repressed.
I've always thought of it as the "Haves" and "Have-nots" Which group is which depends on how someone looks at it.
 

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Strange Destiny said:
I've always thought of it as the "Haves" and "Have-nots" Which group is which depends on how someone looks at it.
My first thought is to bristle up the hairs on the back of my neck and argue with ya. But, that's a very good point. ;)
 

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SD it is the haves and the havenots only it's fredom we're talking about, Now I know you know what I'm talking about, The fredom to choose how you raise your kids where
they go to school how the worship. Maybe we have come to far but there are alot of people out there that can't do these things,now don't get me wrong we will never be perfect and we will never live long enough to see Zanado or what ever anybody wants to call it but we can make a differance in awhole lota lives around this world.
Cephus, you are right. The object of someone's desire and jealousy, doesn't have to be a material thing. It can be freedom, tyranny, or whatever someone wants. Its hard to say what is valued by a group. Some people have very "different" points of view. I read a saying somewhere, it goes, One man's terrorist, is another man's patriot. It all goes with point of view, I guess. MHO
 

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Precisely. It is who is looking at it.
Precisely wrong my dear...a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. A terrorist by any other name would terrorize with fear...

It's like saying a rapist was only having sex....it doesn't change the fact it was rape. Saying violence/war is wrong and then saying that saving a woman/country from a rapist by physical violence is wrong because viloence is wrong is a failure of morality.
 

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Precisely wrong my dear...a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. A terrorist by any other name would terrorize with fear...

It's like saying a rapist was only having sex....it doesn't change the fact it was rape. Saying violence/war is wrong and then saying that saving a woman/country from a rapist by physical violence is wrong because viloence is wrong is a failure of morality.
You are missing my point. We will never change the minds of some people, they see themselves as being in the right. Do you think the creeps that flew planes into the WTC on 9-11 considered themselves terrorist, probably not. I certainly do. but they don't really care what I think, they just want me to be afraid. I think they are evil, thats not how they see it.
 

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After we have our major terrorist attack in CONUS we will have to take out Iran and probably Syria. As much as we distrust them, we will probably have to prop up the House of Saud.

This Islamic war will go on for a long time. Longer if we do not get out of our denial of reality. No one wants to hear it or deal with it. We prefer to assume it is a few fanatics and some sort of law enforcement action. This is beyond the US as the evil satan. It is beyond the hatred of Israel. Europe will be embroiled in this as well.

Islam will have to be virtually destroyed and then rebuilt, if possible, with a different philosophy from convert or die.
 

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If you actually find anyone in the world that has a "balanced" attitutude towards/about America/Americans, be sure and let me know....

Personally, I'm about ready to leave the world alone....i.e. as in no more foreign aid, no more disaster relief, no humanitarian relief, ad nauseum.....just kick ass when attack and don't let up. let the rest of the world take care of theirselves for awhile or depend on all the socialist countries to take up the slack.
I missed this post yesterday when I read this thread.

This I agree with 100%.
 

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In 1941 we had to finally come to terms with world wide facism. I know you cannot always throw a blanket over every similar issue, but how different is the fight today?

Fanatics that fight for what they believe is right? The anihlation of others because they don't beleive as they think they should. I'm not talking about the US either.

I know from my own experience talking to people that come from the Arab world that they wish to be free of the terrorits and dictators. Is that no different from the WW2 and those that were too terrified to speak out against Hitler or Togo? How about Stalin? Shoulld we have not out spent the Soviet Union to bring down an empire bent on ruling the world and throwing the rights of humans into the shitter.

Whether you beleive in God or not it's hard to argue against basic human freedoms for all.

No, we cannot take it all on, but we can start, right? Maybe I'm naive, but one would think if we sat back and did nothing it would only get worse and tehn in 20 -30 years our kids and grandkids would have to fight whether they liked it or not.

We ignore all the attacks over 25 years and where did that get us? What policy do we have the oppressed the Arab world so bad that we deserve the attacks?

Helping the Israeli's? A country surrounded by 30 times it's population by hostiles?

We are a flawed country, but look at other places and we are way better and equipped to help.
 

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Islam was and is a flawed philosophy. It is a political movement dressed up as a religion. From sources I have read in the past, 60-70% of its followers are illiterate and living a lifestyle slightly advanced of the middle ages so it is capable of manipulatiing a large base. Those that do not toe the line are killed.

This is not some amusing little sect of people with quaint beliefs. Our typical live and let live attitude will not solve the problem.

Yeah, I know, there are peaceful, freedom loving Islamics out there, too.
 

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Regarding "haves" and "have-nots", alas I find myself in agreement with George Orwell's "1984": The real conflict is really only between those who are in power and want to keep it and those who are out of power and want to get it.
 

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What about us who just want to be left alone and could care less about having power or anyone having it.....
 
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