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DADDY WARBUCKS
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Calif. Teen Privacy Law Raises Questions
Monday, January 03, 2005

SAN FRANCISCO ? Does a teenager?s right to privacy trump a parent?s right to know when it comes to abortion? In California, the answer is ?yes.?

California schools are forbidden from telling parents when their kids leave class to seek ?confidential medical treatment? ? including drug counseling and even abortion, according to the state attorney general?s office.

While schools must notify parents of the "Student Confidentiality Policy" (search) at the start of each academic year, the reality is that eighth-graders could end a pregnancy, get an AIDS test or seek treatment for addiction during the school day without their knowledge or consent.

The rule is a shift from previous protocol that encouraged privacy for kids in California public schools but didn?t mandate it. Now, it?s a state law.

State Attorney Gen. Bill Lockyer (search), a Democrat, said the legislation was meant for the small number of children coping with rape or incest who probably wouldn?t be able to talk to a parent but need some way to seek help.

But a growing number of California school districts are ignoring the law and keeping kids on campus unless their parents are first notified. Though the state has threatened to take them to court, some angry moms and dads have vowed to pressure schools to drop the rule.
 

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What a mess. No good resolution of this that I'm aware of: There are valid arguments on both sides of the dispute. Although I found it odd that the focus is upon the schools - as opposed to (I think more appropriately) upon the healthcare providers providing services without parental consent.
 

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As a parent, I find this an incredible outrage.

If I am violating the law in caring for my child, there are existing legal measures that can be taken.
 

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...If I am violating the law in caring for my child, there are existing legal measures that can be taken.
In mental health, at least in Kalifornistan, that's the way it used to be handled (don't know if it still is, left there long ago): If you kid needs mental health services and you don't get them, it's handled about the same as if your kid needed an appondectomy and you wouldn't get one for the kid. It's reported as child neglect, and the court then decides whether it really is. If it is,the court then can make the kid a ward of the court and place him/her in treatment.

What they're up to with drug counseling and HIV testing is encourage kids to get it when they need it, but when they wouldn't do it if mom and dad knew about it. Not saying that's right or wrong - this is an issue I'm of two minds about - just saying that's the rationale.

The rationale for abortion without letting the folks know about it is that doing so would precipitate child abuse in some families. Even I think that's a bogus argument. I haven't really made up my mind about that one, either, though, since I also have a hard time forcing a 17 year-old to have a child against her will.

Gotta admit that were I a parent I'd see it as a much simpler issue: Anyone who provides my kid treatment or medical care without my consent is going to need treatment and medical care themselves.
 

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As a parent, it is a simple issue.

Stunning that we are dealing with cutting the parents out of the loop as early as 8th grade.
 

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As a parent, it is a simple issue.

Stunning that we are dealing with cutting the parents out of the loop as early as 8th grade.
Yes and yes, amazingly enough, although I remain of two minds about the issue.

Part of the difficulty as I see it is that stuff like this is put into place to accommodate for crappy parents, who would rather see their kids remain dopers or have HIV-disease progress than get them treatment, or who would beat the hell out of their daughter for being pregnant. Paradox is that covering for crappy parents like this makes it easier for them to be crappy parents.
 

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Like most big government programs, it is justified on the basis of dealing with the minority of "scofflaws" and pretty soon everyone is ensnared in it.

Much like gun control.

Seldom solves the problem, either.
 

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...Seldom solves the problem, either.
And, in fact, as I'd pointed out, it can inadvertently perpetuate the problem.

I really don't know what the answer is. It'd be nice if enough folks would simply pick up the responsibilities that go with being a parent that the rest of us wouldn't have to deal with their problems in the first place - but it'll never happen. When people irresponsibly have children, it's a bit unrealistic to expect them to begin being responsible now that they're parents - yet it's also a bit stupid to relieve them of that responsibility.
 

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The road to hell is paved with "if we can save just one child"....
 

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The road to hell is paved with "if we can save just one child"....
Really. Hey, it isn't like they're an endangered species!
 

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Really. Hey, it isn't like they're an endangered species!
Children are the adults of the future, don't ya know.
 

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What a mess. No good resolution of this that I'm aware of: There are valid arguments on both sides of the dispute. Although I found it odd that the focus is upon the schools - as opposed to (I think more appropriately) upon the healthcare providers providing services without parental consent.
I think there is a good way to resolve this problem. And that is for the people of California to come to their senses and kick all of those political idiots out of office, and elect some with normal brains. Until that happens, loony laws are going to continue being imposed on the people.

 

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Children are the adults of the future, don't ya know.
I think my sig line fits here:

"The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next" - Abraham Lincoln
 

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California is a lost cause gentlemen.
Too many social experiments for too long leads to a surplus of idealists and a shortage of realists.
Also, a near continuous line of democratic leaders in the state (especially at county and city level) along with entrenchment of democratic judges and career bureaucrats has led to an environment of "Nanny" government almost unparalleled in these United States. Ironic, if you remember that many of those "liberal" folks were probably 60's era peaceniks who hated all government.
A friend of mine used to work with (but not for) the California Child Protective Services. The power they have is frightening. A bureaucrat can decide to remove your child from your custody (Usually with good reason, or some real good lying by somebody) and you have to prove you are a good parent- they don't have to prove you aren't. If that child is a teen over 14 or so, you might get to trial before they become old enough to vote. Then again, inexplicably, they left the welfare mother with the three kids living in in a camp trailer with no door (just a curtain) alone. We gave these children clothes as the mother didn't buy them any, and we fed them sometimes as they got little to eat. However, on welfare paydays we would watch the mother and boyfriend carry in case after case of beer and a single sack or two of groceries. Repeated calls to CPS resulted in us being told to basically stop calling as they weren't going to do anything. We volunteered to present sworn affidavits, only to be told they we could not be involved as this was not really our problem.
Our neighborhood continued to feed and clothe these children until I moved away, while the state did *nothing* in a case where it should have.
 

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I think my sig line fits here:

"The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next" - Abraham Lincoln

From each according to his need
Mike S. Adams
January 4, 2005 |

Dear absent student:

I received your recent email asking to be excused from the first two days of class. I am sorry that your mother bought your plane ticket before consulting the schedule for the semester. That happens a lot. In fact, it happens to at least one of my students every semester. But, please don?t worry. I am going to handle your situation under a new policy I have initiated for the coming semester.

Under my new policy, students with special needs will be able to open a ?special needs account? every time that they need to be exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else. Vouchers will be deposited in the account in an amount that accurately reflects the magnitude of each student?s special need. Two vouchers have been deposited in your account to handle this week?s absences.

Since you will not be present on the first day of class, I am going to take the time to give you a special review of the class policies. I don?t mind repeating myself for students who can?t come to class. I have a lot of time on my hands. I have tenure.

First of all, it is important that you come to class on time. You need to wear a watch and set it to the time indicated on the Weather Channel. Contrary to the views of the Office of Campus Diversity, there is a fixed reality out there, independent of your feelings. Come to class before it is really 10 a.m., not before you feel like it is 10 a.m.

Of course, you might have some special problem that prevents you from making it to class on time. If so, just come to me after class and tell me what that problem is. I will grant you one special needs voucher for every time that you are late.

And cell phones will be strictly prohibited in our class. Since students have consistently shown that they cannot remember to turn off the ringer on their cell phones, I do not allow students to bring one to class at all. But if you don?t feel like following this rule, just tell me that you have a special need for your cell phone. I will then deposit one special needs voucher into your special needs account for each day that you need to bring it to class. And if it rings during class, don?t worry. I will give you a voucher for each and every single ring! Just tell me why you needed to leave on the ringer.

Furthermore, you will be asked not to read magazines or chat with your neighbors during class. But if there is a pressing need to talk, I will stop the class and allow you to finish. Of course, each time I have to do that, I will grant a special needs voucher, just as long as there really was a special need for you to speak. The policy also applies if you need to go potty during class. We will all wait for you to get back before resuming class lecture. We don?t want you to miss a thing. And don?t forget to pick up your special needs voucher after you get back from going potty.

I also intend to change the way that we review our exams after they have been graded. I used to go over the answers in class, to make sure that I had not made any mistakes. I also allowed the student to hand back his exam if there had been a computational error. That was too complicated. From now on, I am just going to ask you how you feel about your grade. Anyone who feels that he needs a letter grade added to his exam will get a special needs voucher. Two letter grades? No problem. Two vouchers, coming right up!

After the semester is over, you will cash in all of your special needs vouchers. Actually, I will do it for you if you need me to. This is the part of the policy you need to listen to carefully.

Throughout your entire career as a student, you have been taught that you are entitled to something, just because you have a special need. That is the mentality behind affirmative action. It also explains other problems like grade inflation. It is also the reason why socialism has failed despite the murders of 100 million individuals, all sacrificed for ?the good of mankind.?

Since the rewarding of need and the corresponding punishment of achievement has been such a failure, there is only one rational thing to do. We must reverse the process. That is why, today, I am announcing a plan to deduct one point from your final average for every special needs voucher that you accumulate during the semester. The points will go to students who do not ask for special treatment but, instead, follow rules and seek to earn credit based upon individual merit.

By implementing this plan, I will be doing my part to reverse the harmful effects of socialism upon our great nation. If others follow, we will soon see the emergence of a large gap between the needy and the achievers in our society. But if we stay the course, we will see many of our needy brothers join the class of the achievers in the future. If they do not, we can at least say that we provided them with an opportunity to achieve. We have no other obligation.

We must no longer conceal our aims. It is time to openly declare that they can be reached by nothing less than a reversal of existing social conditions. Let the needy tremble at the coming revolution. The achievers have nothing to lose but their chains.



?2004 Mike S. Adams

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