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Is it possible (and legal) to replace the stock on my mak90 (.223 cal) with a separate stock and pistol grip, now that the AWB is over. If so what are some good replacement parts?
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yes it is legal. For the 223 if using a chinese stock set It would be easiest to use a US FCG (3 US parts), US gas piston (1 US part), and a US pistol grip (1 US part) for a total of 5 US parts. If the barrel is threaded using a US muzzle brake or flash hider would be the easiest way to keep parts count so there isn't more than 10 foreign parts (assuming the receiver is stamped, if the receiver is milled you would need one less US part). Another option would be a US FCG and a US stock set for a total of 6 US parts so that if the barrel was threaded a foreign or US muzzle device could be used. Hope this helps.
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Ok sniper...you lost me. I am new to this stuff. If all I want to do is take the thumb hole stock off and put a pistol grip and separate stock on, I have to change the FCG and a couple of other parts as well to meet the US required number?? Why is this?? Is it considered building a gun if you start changing parts?? The gun is registered, it was not a build or anything of that nature. Sorry to sound stupid here, but I want to stay legal!!
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wickedmedic - didn't mean to "lose" you. And BTW, welcome to gunco. Hopefully this will help explain it a little easier.
This thread lists the countable parts of an AK. http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696 The MAK90's had no US parts in them to start so to switch to a regular stock and a pistol grip would require using some US made parts to get the foreign parts count to a maximum of 10 foreign made parts. Even though the AWB has gone bye-bye, the parts count is part of the 1989 law and so it is still in effect.
US Code Title 18,Part I,Chapter 44,Section 922,Paragraph
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It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -
Basically the AK with a pistol grip was listed in 925(d)(3). The MAK90's etc with the thumbhole stock were a way around this. For example with the Romanian SAR rifles they were imported and the US parts were added by century to make them compliant, and so they were sold with a regular stock and pistol grip. Adding the regular buttstock and pistol grip without adding US parts to get the foreign parts count to a max of 10 would make for the assembly of a non-compliant rifle.
I hope that all this doesn't sound confusing, but to put it simply the US parts are a necessity to stay legal. Maybe someone else can word it differently. Also, if I am wrong on this someone please correct me.
This thread lists the countable parts of an AK. http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696 The MAK90's had no US parts in them to start so to switch to a regular stock and a pistol grip would require using some US made parts to get the foreign parts count to a maximum of 10 foreign made parts. Even though the AWB has gone bye-bye, the parts count is part of the 1989 law and so it is still in effect.
US Code Title 18,Part I,Chapter 44,Section 922,Paragraph
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It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -
Basically the AK with a pistol grip was listed in 925(d)(3). The MAK90's etc with the thumbhole stock were a way around this. For example with the Romanian SAR rifles they were imported and the US parts were added by century to make them compliant, and so they were sold with a regular stock and pistol grip. Adding the regular buttstock and pistol grip without adding US parts to get the foreign parts count to a max of 10 would make for the assembly of a non-compliant rifle.
I hope that all this doesn't sound confusing, but to put it simply the US parts are a necessity to stay legal. Maybe someone else can word it differently. Also, if I am wrong on this someone please correct me.
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I think that this pretty much clears it up for me! I will have decide if I want the pistol grip and stock that bad to change all those parts.
One more question....If I changed the stock to a fiberforce or something of that nature, and the grip and stock are one piece, would I have to change the FCG, etc????
One more question....If I changed the stock to a fiberforce or something of that nature, and the grip and stock are one piece, would I have to change the FCG, etc????
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I can't say for sure on the fiberforce stock, hopefully someone else will be able to answer that one.wickedmedic said:
As for the regular stock, not counting the cost of the stock the FCG is around $30 from dpharms, the gas piston around $10-$20 depending on where you get it from, and the us pistol grip is around $10-15. Sometimes someone will have a pistol grip from a SAR for sale and would be cheaper, or tapco sometimes runs a sale on the US made pistol grips. Also if you are swithing out the whole stock set, a k-var stockset (buttstock, p grip, and front handguards) is around $84.
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I may be totally in left field on this but here it goes.
I have a "stock" MAK90 and the only "evil" features when I bought it were the ability to take Hi-cap mags and has a thumbhole stock (I heard somewhere ATF re-classified thunbholes as a pistol grip).
To the best of my knowledge, this rifle was legal in 1990 and still is today.
If I replace the thumbhole stock with a regular Chinese butt stock and install a US made pistol grip, I have not changed the foreign parts count at all.
How can this rifle be illegal?
I have a "stock" MAK90 and the only "evil" features when I bought it were the ability to take Hi-cap mags and has a thumbhole stock (I heard somewhere ATF re-classified thunbholes as a pistol grip).
To the best of my knowledge, this rifle was legal in 1990 and still is today.
If I replace the thumbhole stock with a regular Chinese butt stock and install a US made pistol grip, I have not changed the foreign parts count at all.
How can this rifle be illegal?
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SGT rock
A thumbhole stocked rifle was importable until the ATF re-classified thumbholes as pistol grip stocks.
In 1989 the ATF ruled that only "SPORTING" weapons could be imported. And that it was illegal to build a weapon out of more then 10 imported parts that was not importable. This is the famous 10 parts rule.
All MAK-90's were imported with T-HOLE stocks. As such they were grandfathered in when they reclassified the rules.
Should you change out the stock you will have to comply to the latest regulations.
Even if you do nothing more then put a fiberforce stock on it.
A MAK-90 with a standard pistol grip stock in a NON-SPORTING weapon and without US parts to bring the count down to 10, it is ILLEGAL.
There was a long discussion concerning what was legal and such when it came to MAK-90's.
Basically if you own a MAK-90 and want a pistol grip stock then you have to put the US PARTS in it.
On my MAK-90's I run the following US PARTS
(1) gas piston
(2) hammer
(3) trigger
(4) disconnector (sear)
(5) slant brake
(6) floorplate (magazine)
If you are on a budget then do this
From www.rpbusa.com get 10 FSE floorplates/followers and slant brake.
This will give you 3 US PARTS.
Then get a Tapco G2 FCG from www.dpharms.com
That will give you 3 more US parts
That is what I would do.
For under $75 you can get you mak-90 legal and you can run whatever stock you like.
Now if you are gonna run US MADE stocks then that is less parts you need to buy.
A thumbhole stocked rifle was importable until the ATF re-classified thumbholes as pistol grip stocks.
In 1989 the ATF ruled that only "SPORTING" weapons could be imported. And that it was illegal to build a weapon out of more then 10 imported parts that was not importable. This is the famous 10 parts rule.
All MAK-90's were imported with T-HOLE stocks. As such they were grandfathered in when they reclassified the rules.
Should you change out the stock you will have to comply to the latest regulations.
Even if you do nothing more then put a fiberforce stock on it.
A MAK-90 with a standard pistol grip stock in a NON-SPORTING weapon and without US parts to bring the count down to 10, it is ILLEGAL.
There was a long discussion concerning what was legal and such when it came to MAK-90's.
Basically if you own a MAK-90 and want a pistol grip stock then you have to put the US PARTS in it.
On my MAK-90's I run the following US PARTS
(1) gas piston
(2) hammer
(3) trigger
(4) disconnector (sear)
(5) slant brake
(6) floorplate (magazine)
If you are on a budget then do this
From www.rpbusa.com get 10 FSE floorplates/followers and slant brake.
This will give you 3 US PARTS.
Then get a Tapco G2 FCG from www.dpharms.com
That will give you 3 more US parts
That is what I would do.
For under $75 you can get you mak-90 legal and you can run whatever stock you like.
Now if you are gonna run US MADE stocks then that is less parts you need to buy.
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Thanks for the extra info on the Fiberforce Stock. I know what needs to be done now.
For Crying Out Loud -- Don't change out the FCG! The MAK90's have some of the best triggers out there. Just check around at this and other AK gun boards. Keep the workings as original as possible. Not that aftermarket triggers can't improve a little, but it just ain't worth the money.
Replace:
US Stock=1
US Pistol Grip=1
US Upper & Lower Handguards=1
Mag Follower=1
Mag Floorplate=1
No Muzzle Break=No Worry
Total=5 parts
I recommend the www.RPBUSA.com route also to get the 10pk of floorplates and followers. Then buy the K-VAR stock set. This is the cheapest route as far as keeping the gun as original as can be.
Then go out and shoot the Heck out of it!!!
Replace:
US Stock=1
US Pistol Grip=1
US Upper & Lower Handguards=1
Mag Follower=1
Mag Floorplate=1
No Muzzle Break=No Worry
Total=5 parts
I recommend the www.RPBUSA.com route also to get the 10pk of floorplates and followers. Then buy the K-VAR stock set. This is the cheapest route as far as keeping the gun as original as can be.
Then go out and shoot the Heck out of it!!!
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Doneking - :welcome: to gunco!doneking said:
RPB has some good prices on the followers and floorplates for 7.62x39. With a regular MAK90 (7.62x39) I could agree on the US parts listed above, but with the 223(5.56x45) MAK90 last I knew there wasn't a source for the 223 followers and floorplates for the Norinco mags. If there is - I would love to know about them. Maybe if there was enough demand for them someone could do a run of them. Or maybe someone could probably come up with a way to at least make floorplates for these mags and the other US part could be a gas piston. I do agree that the Chinese FCG are some of the nicer factory FCG.
Appreciate the welcome. I've been a member here for a little while, but don't get to participate as much as I'd like. I usually cruise the boards while at work, but I have to do it sneakily like. Great information out here on the Net though. Consider me a peeping tom on the boards. I'm usually just able to look for information and then gotta jet, ya know.
Yeah the floorplate issue with the .223 is hard to solve. My MAK is 7.62x39.
I'd also love to have replacement floorplates for the Bulgarian Waffle mags (7.62). Those are some of the nicest mags around and the normal floorplates aren't the right configuration.
I've been wondering about the Polish slabside synthetic mags. Will the floorplates change out like the steel ones? I don't own any and have not seen any upclose.
There are so many things you can do with these rifles for cheap. That is the fun in these things.
Yeah the floorplate issue with the .223 is hard to solve. My MAK is 7.62x39.
I'd also love to have replacement floorplates for the Bulgarian Waffle mags (7.62). Those are some of the nicest mags around and the normal floorplates aren't the right configuration.
I've been wondering about the Polish slabside synthetic mags. Will the floorplates change out like the steel ones? I don't own any and have not seen any upclose.
There are so many things you can do with these rifles for cheap. That is the fun in these things.
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I believe it is hcpookie that is making some floorplates for the AK-74 mags. Nice thing is the floorplates from the -74 mags(5.45x39) are interchangeable with the 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 waffle mags. Also if I remember right (could be wrong) the floorplates on the polish synthetic mags interchange with the waffle mags as well.doneking said:
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