I am planning on a AMD-65 as my first build. I will be using a ohio ordinance works receiver. Seems to many people have had delivery and hardness issues with the vulcan. i have a few quetions though. Will the amd-65 use standard AK style magazines? The kits at interordinance are on sale for $80.00 has any one tried their kits? Are they a decent company? Are the vulcan receivers still too soft?
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I will do my best for your questions.
yes they take standard mags, BUT you may have best luck with 20 rounders or less due to the front grip in the way. I could get a thirty in my 63 but it was tight to get in.
IO is ok for kits and the price is fine too. you may want to try Lois at CF I think they have a shipping deal worth checking out. [ do a search of her name and you should get plenty info and a phone #]
As for vulcan recievers, thew truth is they are hit or miss.. I have used them and been fine but I have to think of them as a starting place knowing full well they will need some kind of help. As a builder like the rest of us this is ok with me. holes can be adjusted and railes can be hardened as needed all part of the hobby of building your own.
good luck enjoy keep asking questions
I will do my best for your questions.
yes they take standard mags, BUT you may have best luck with 20 rounders or less due to the front grip in the way. I could get a thirty in my 63 but it was tight to get in.
IO is ok for kits and the price is fine too. you may want to try Lois at CF I think they have a shipping deal worth checking out. [ do a search of her name and you should get plenty info and a phone #]
As for vulcan recievers, thew truth is they are hit or miss.. I have used them and been fine but I have to think of them as a starting place knowing full well they will need some kind of help. As a builder like the rest of us this is ok with me. holes can be adjusted and railes can be hardened as needed all part of the hobby of building your own.
good luck enjoy keep asking questions
Am I missing something but why use a pre made receiver? From what I have read they all have to be adjusted one way or the other. I did my first build(a 65) and used a bent from cold steel. 2 others from ace and a 63 from coldsteel. Now I am far from being a machinist and am just learing to weld but I managed to get them together and they work. Read the threads as there are alot of people with great knowledge and willing to help the newbee.Got a harbor freight spot welder and some 4130 tubing and made the rails after getting a sample set from sniper. Machman (ak-net) sells a terrific set of dimple jigs and you are good to go. From what I have experienced they all take some tweeking and none were the same but with patience it all comes together. That is what it is all about. My .02 :headspin:
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I have to agree with f troop I want it to be easy to sell the gun if some day I want to, another thing is the pree made recievers are pretty cheap. I paid $32 on a group buy for a vulcan, I saw flats with rails attached at the show this week for $69. I dont get it.
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This is true! But, I think in some cases this is what makes it fun and challenging. I have learned more than I could ever imagine in the last couple months. I am moving slowly, but making progress.
Yes, I guess you are right on the resale issue. It's just that I#1. Never sell a gun. #2 Being a retired state cop I guess I am a bit paranoid about the paper trail that is created when going the FFL route, especially with an AK. You never know what those nut cakes in DC will come up with. I can remember before the 68 ban when you could get anything you wanted through the mail. That was before Ted Kennedy started his rant and don't forget-he is still there! Remember California!!
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At the show last week I saw some very nice flats from gun parts. they were laser cut and had rails installed allready. they were cut along the bends so they will bend properly without any trouble. All you have to do is bend, weld, drill out some holes and finish. very nice and not too dificult. price was $69. I realy think this is an excelant way to go if you realy want to go with a flat. I would be more tempted but I cant justify the extra $$$ compared to the GB prices on vulcans. I am cheap I guess 
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$69 bucks? Check eBay, there?s a guy with Laser cut 80% flats w/rails and rivets for $49.99. He?s in Bethalto, Illinois so you know it?s the one I?m talking about. The rails sound like the best part to me.hotbarrel said:At the show last week I saw some very nice flats from gun parts. they were laser cut and had rails installed allready. they were cut along the bends so they will bend properly without any trouble. All you have to do is bend, weld, drill out some holes and finish. very nice and not too dificult. price was $69. I realy think this is an excelant way to go if you realy want to go with a flat. I would be more tempted but I cant justify the extra $$$ compared to the GB prices on vulcans. I am cheap I guess
I know this thread is a few weeks old, but I found it and figured I'd comment anyway.
The cost of a U-bend-it type receiver, or an Ace blank just seems ridiculous when you think of the work remaining to be finished. I just can't understand why I should spend $50 on a laser cut flat, or $40 on an Ace blank with rails, or $30 on a flat that probably won't bend right, when I can just save a lot of trouble and get a completed receiver for between $35-55 (plus FFL fees if any), depending on whether it's a Vulcan or OOW.
I really have wanted to build my own reciever but I can't seem to justify the expense and time when it's so much cheaper to just buy one that's finished, or nearly so.
The paper trail is a very valid point, but I guess I just haven't reached that level of paranoia yet. I have a lot of guns that fall into the nonpolitically correct category and they were all bought on yellow forms, except for my 1919a4 which was built on an 80% right side plate. But anyhow, if "The Revenue Man" comes looking for my guns, the odds are I will have already sold them all to private citizens anyway, :flip: if you know what I mean. I guess I'm more or less counting on a bit of a warning before we get to that point.
I do plan on building my own receiver at some point soon, especially since I'm about to finally get a shop press and a drill press. I'd really like to knock out a few receivers and stash them away with a few nice kits for when times get tough.
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The cost of a U-bend-it type receiver, or an Ace blank just seems ridiculous when you think of the work remaining to be finished. I just can't understand why I should spend $50 on a laser cut flat, or $40 on an Ace blank with rails, or $30 on a flat that probably won't bend right, when I can just save a lot of trouble and get a completed receiver for between $35-55 (plus FFL fees if any), depending on whether it's a Vulcan or OOW.
I really have wanted to build my own reciever but I can't seem to justify the expense and time when it's so much cheaper to just buy one that's finished, or nearly so.
The paper trail is a very valid point, but I guess I just haven't reached that level of paranoia yet. I have a lot of guns that fall into the nonpolitically correct category and they were all bought on yellow forms, except for my 1919a4 which was built on an 80% right side plate. But anyhow, if "The Revenue Man" comes looking for my guns, the odds are I will have already sold them all to private citizens anyway, :flip: if you know what I mean. I guess I'm more or less counting on a bit of a warning before we get to that point.
I do plan on building my own receiver at some point soon, especially since I'm about to finally get a shop press and a drill press. I'd really like to knock out a few receivers and stash them away with a few nice kits for when times get tough.
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Great point WINN! This is the very reason I build on ACE blanks. It is very challenging, and the satisfaction that I get after building one of these has got to be much greater than building on a ready made receiver. However Cammer, if you've got the hook up with the local FFL, don't mind the paper trail, and dont want to spend the time building one sounds like you've got the right idea. I think many of us enjoy the actual hands on time of building the receiver.
I think an Ace blank would be my first choice for a homebuit receiver, but what's been putting me off is that I can't find any lower rails for them. Do you guys make your own rails or is there another supplier for them? What about the little indentions in the recievers like the one on the bottom in front of the magwell, or the safety lever indent, or the indents on the sides of the reciever for the magazine? Are the "chicken feet" needed around the pivot holes? Do you press in all these indentions? Does the gun function just fine without them?
These kinds of questions are what have really been clogging my brain and keeping me from trying to build a real homebrew AK.
I'd like to build one, but I'm such a damn perfectionist that if I can't be assured of getting it just perfect I tend to not want to try. But then again I've avoided building ARs because they seem to be too easy to build. Just cookie cutter guns with no personality.
Maybe I need to find a nice padded room somewhere and start shooting up on thorazine.... :scared:
These kinds of questions are what have really been clogging my brain and keeping me from trying to build a real homebrew AK.
I'd like to build one, but I'm such a damn perfectionist that if I can't be assured of getting it just perfect I tend to not want to try. But then again I've avoided building ARs because they seem to be too easy to build. Just cookie cutter guns with no personality.
Maybe I need to find a nice padded room somewhere and start shooting up on thorazine.... :scared:
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