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Here's a couple of pics of my newest project, a demilled Bulgarian Krinkov kit! :headspin: 5.45x39, Russian wood, excellent condition - Never fired! I have the FCG, etc. they just aren't in the pic. I'm planning on ordering a OOW AK74 receiver for it.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/158922.JPG

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I just need someone to do the riveting for me and I'll handle the rest. Hopefully I'll get off my butt and get the Form 1 submitted to make an SBR. That's the only way to build a Krinkov in my opinion.
 

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hcpookie said:
Nice kit! I'm going to get one of those when I move to VA. Where'd you find it?
I found this for sale from a guy who posted it at the FAL Files. From what I can tell the demilled kits are really hard to find. I feel kinda lucky to have found this one for sale and actually been able to buy it. You probably know but the demilled kits are really nice for the home builder since the headspace is already set. I'm going to do a rivet build on this one, but if you are going to do a screw build it's really easy, just drill out the rivets, tap the holes and screw on the new receiver. The only extra issues that I have been able to find out about are the special fitting needed for the folding stock and folding stock latch. Of course I will need to put a "permanent" barrel extension in place until I get approval for the SBR. I think I'll probably pin a fake can on the barrel until I get the Form 1 back. That way I'll keep it legal. Of course I won't even start the build until after September. That way I'll know for sure if it's legal to keep the flash suppressor and the folding stock.

As far as what states allow SBRs... I'm not sure of that. I know that Florida and Texas allow it, and of course Kentucky and Tennessee. You will just have to find out about the state that you live in whether or not it is allowed. Most states allow it I believe.

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The demilled kit saves you a little work anyways.. Kvar must have sold out of them not too long ago..
 

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The only extra issues that I have been able to find out about are the special fitting needed for the folding stock and folding stock latch.
Been there, done that... not too hard. You can do it w/ a drill press & dremel.

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/buttstock/folding_stock.htm

Of course I will need to put a "permanent" barrel extension in place until I get approval for the SBR. I think I'll probably pin a fake can on the barrel until I get the Form 1 back.
Ohiorapidfire.com has "the" fake silencer, the pbs-5 fake. IMO that's the only way to go w/ a fake can...

I do know that VA allows SBRs w/ all the forms. That's eventually what I plan to do. My question is, at least I wonder, if you can "build" the SBR or if that requires special licenses. Here's my plan:

1. Build Krink w/ fake can attached
2. Apply for SBR approval.
3. After forms arrive,
(option 1) remove fake can to restore to "original" krinkov config.
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(option 2) send to licensed gunsmith (like Troy at inrange).

My question is, can I do (option 1) without any extra paperwork? I *think* that requires a gunsmith w/ the required permits, otherwise you are "building" an NFA rifle. That would be bad. Assuming I am correct, then (option 1) is not an option at all, and I will have to go with (option 2).

I would *love* to build this from the ground-up - everything up from an Ace 80% blank. If I do this, there's the question, is converting a home-built rifle to SBR the same as converting a serialized receiver to SBR such as an OOW or GT serial-numbered rifle? I think the answer is "no"... I think you have to have a serial-numbered rifle that ATF can track in "the database". I am not 100% certain on that - however that's yet another question that I need to clarify. I'll have to phone Troy to see if I can get clarification.

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mike26038 said:
The demilled kit saves you a little work anyways.. Kvar must have sold out of them not too long ago..
Yep all they have is the "unassembled" kits.

Thus we have to drill/ream the barrel pin hole, trunion holes, retaining cross-pin holes on the FSB, and of course headspace. Would be nice to find a de-milled kit with all these holes drilled! :D

I *think* the florida gun works shop (forget link) has some, but they want a hefty price for them... big mark-up but it may be worth it, depending on whether or not the time/effort is worth saving $100. For me, it isn't worth it because I have to do *EVERYTHING* and like doing things the hard way. Then again...
 

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From what I understand your Option 1 is just fine. An approved Form 1 allows someone who is not a manufacturer to build an SBR, SBS, AOW, sound suppressor, etc. If you read the fine print on the Form 1 you'll see that a Class 2 manufacturer is not required to file a Form 1, only someone who is not a manufacturer. This allows you to build an SBR from an existing weapon. You will need a serial number so if you use an Ace blank or U-Fold-It type then you will need to stamp the receiver with a serial number of your own choosing before sending in the paperwork.

The order of assembly is probably an important issue when building a weapon of this type. If you assemble the receiver, then press in the barrel prior to lengthening the barrel to the legal 16" then you have illegally build an SBR and if someone were to walk in to your shop at that moment you would have a problem. The better way to do it would be to permanently fasten the fake can to the barrel prior to installing the barrel in the receiver. Of course if you already have an approved Form 1 in your hands before the barrel is installed then this would be a nonissue.

I believe that your main question was "Is a licensed gunsmith required for building an NFA weapon?" I really think the answer to this is no. A homebuilt 100% receiver is considered identical to one that was built commercially, from a legal standpoint anyway, once you add the serial number to it. Therefore, since a receiver is considered to be a complete firearm from the point of view of the law, why would any kind of licensed manufacturer be required just to cut off the end of a barrel? Why would the Form 1 even exist since a Class 2 manufacturer doesn't need it?

One more reminder which you probably already know, don't forget that the AWB still applies to SBRs despite their NFA status. In other words, as silly as this is, you cannot put a folding stock or flashhider on a postban SBR. Make sure you wait until September if all goes well.

If I were you I would double check the information given above. I believe that it is correct and it is what I am planning on using for my own build, however you may want to double check for your own peace of mind.

Hope this helps. :cheers:

If there is something here that I have posted and is blatantly incorrect please correct me. We are all here to learn and I am not above being corrected by someone who knows more than I.

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mike26038 said:
The demilled kit saves you a little work anyways.. Kvar must have sold out of them not too long ago..
The demilled kit saves a home build a LOT of work, not just a little. Headspacing, etc., can be a real pain for a garage builder.
 
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