[Carb850]

What are your thoughts on these? I find them sexy. I will be getting a Mosin 91/30 very soon and already have both an AK and RPK in Soviet furniture. To keep with the theme, I think I need a dragunov clone.

CDNN has some nice NDM-86 in .308 for a decent price. However, they have been reported to have run out of spare mags. As far as I know, they are the only distrubitor to have had any to begin with. I'm sure some will show up on the secondary market, but considering CDNN wanted $90 a piece you know they will cost a small fortune. I have not rulled out the 308 NDM, but I'm leaning away from it.

A Russian SVD would be awsome, but I have never seen one for sale and I have seen estimates they are valued around $5K. That is WAY out of my range so...moving on.

The Tiger seems the most resonable. They are chambered for 7.62x54 and mags are available from several sources. People say you can sometimes find Tigers for $1K but I have not seen this myself. Have you seen any Tigers for sale? If so, what have been the price ranges? I was also wondering, is it legal to install a SVD barrel in a Tiger? The trick I'm sure if finding one.

BTW, the Romak3/PSL is nice but not what I'm looking for.

 

[Saleen]

Don't believe all the inventory rumors at CDNN

Call CDNN first and verify that they are out of mags. They have a "sales" inventory and an "actual" inventory. I bet they just find some more after this panic. I don't know how many times it has been floated that there are "only 3 NDMs left". They might as well be screaming "the sky is falling" I've heard it so much. Realistically we are looking at a 5-10 month supply unless purchases go up substantially. That is from a good source on the "actual inventory" side.

Even if they don't, a .308 Galil mag is supposed to be easily reworked to fit.


Saleen

 

[Carb850]

Call CDNN first and verify that they are out of mags. They have a "sales" inventory and an "actual" inventory. I bet they just find some more after this panic. I don't know how many times it has been floated that there are "only 3 NDMs left". They might as well be screaming "the sky is falling" I've heard it so much. Realistically we are looking at a 5-10 month supply unless purchases go up substantially. That is from a good source on the "actual inventory" side.

Even if they don't, a .308 Galil mag is supposed to be easily reworked to fit.


Saleen

I have read reports of people calling and being told "we are out". But, like you suggested, if I had the money I would call and see myself.

Do the Galil mags look similar to the Chinese mags?

 

[Saleen]

If you talked to a salesman, he only gets to see the inventory available for sale (not the inventory). I have no direct information on the mag situation, but that is how the Rifle situation was explained to me. The warehouse puts like 10 on the "sale inventory" computer and once they are gone some more pop up. Kinda like built in "plausible deniability" since the saleman's information really did say there were only 6 left.

The Galil mags look similar but not the same. From what I understand they are a tad longer and have more ribs. I'd imagine the finish would be different as well. HTH.


Saleen

 

[Carb850]

If you talked to a salesman, he only gets to see the inventory available for sale (not the inventory). I have no direct information on the mag situation, but that is how the Rifle situation was explained to me. The warehouse puts like 10 on the "sale inventory" computer and once they are gone some more pop up. Kinda like built in "plausible deniability" since the saleman's information really did say there were only 6 left.

The Galil mags look similar but not the same. From what I understand they are a tad longer and have more ribs. I'd imagine the finish would be different as well. HTH.


Saleen

Now I understand. That makes sense.

Do you have a Tiger or NDM-86? Whats your thoughts on them? Did they ever make a Polytech Dragunov? I read on another board that they did and it was called a PDM-86 but I have not read this anywere else.

 

[mike26038]

The tigr look like a cool gun, not familiar with them though.. I went in a store once looking to buy a new gun and they had a NDM in 7.6254r I asked the price and ooked it all over but I decided to pass because I thought it was a rip off they wanted $600.00 bucks for it...Oh those were the days....

 

[Saleen]

Mbakercad,

I have several. 3 NDMs in .308 (2 unfired), an unfired 1979 dated NDM in 54R, and a "California Armory" Tiger (also in 54R of course). I can't say which is my favoirite because I have yet to shoot the Tiger. I am planning to do some handloading for it, and thinking about having a SLFP installed by Marc Krebs (if he will do it) when I send it in for some other work. I'll slug the barrel and then start experimenting.

I really like the .308 NDMs and their accuracy will surprise you. I have hunted several years with mine and it has felled two good sized mule deers and a cougar. I don't have pics of the cougar, but here's some of the deer:

1999 taken from 250 yards with Hornady Custom 165gr SP --- never took a step.

2003 taken from 184 yards with Hornady AMAX 168gr --- ran about 35 yards before collapsing and bleeding out. NOT IMPRESSED WITH THIS AMMO

Here's my zero validation shots last year a couple of weeks before leaving. The 4th shot drew blood above.

Like I said, these things are accurate.

As far as the PDM-86 is concerned, I have also heard of their existence, but never seen them. My thought is that they are urban legend until someone actually shows up with one.


Saleen

 

[mack8384]

here is my Tiger SVD clone

Mack M.

 

[Carb850]

Great looking guns guys. Thanks for posting pics.

Saleen, you have 4 Drags :woo:

Mack, is that a California Tiger? Just wondering about the muzzle attachment. Very nice.

 

[mack8384]

Mack, is that a California Tiger? Just wondering about the muzzle attachment. Very nice.[/QUOTE]

It is not a Callifornia drag. I got a hooded front sight and faux FH from http://www.dragunovparts.com/
Got the miltary bi-pod and 1200m marked sight from http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/
Military handguards are from private sale. Just waiting for the adjustable gas regulator from Dragunov Parts .com to make it complete.

Mack M.

 

[Carb850]

It is not a Callifornia drag. I got a hooded front sight and faux FH from http://www.dragunovparts.com/
Got the miltary bi-pod and 1200m marked sight from http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/
Military handguards are from private sale. Just waiting for the adjustable gas regulator from Dragunov Parts .com to make it complete.

Mack M.

Think it would be possible to find a true SVD barrel? Sounds like the only thing missing. BTW, looks great as is, just wondering.

 

[Saleen]

Saleen, you have 4 Drags?

Nope....5 :naughty:


There is no difference in the barrel of the Tiger and the California Dragunov. The only difference is the stocks (just the handguards on some) the rear sight, and the FS/FH. The front sight / flash hider is the real ***** to get. Not imported, and when found can bring upwards of $350+.

I really wish that dragunovparts.com would start turning out whole assemblies. I bet they'd sell like hotcakes to Tiger owners.


Saleen

 

[Carb850]

Nope....5 :naughty:


There is no difference in the barrel of the Tiger and the California Dragunov. The only difference is the stocks (just the handguards on some) the rear sight, and the FS/FH. The front sight / flash hider is the real ***** to get. Not imported, and when found can bring upwards of $350+.

I really wish that dragunovparts.com would start turning out whole assemblies. I bet they'd sell like hotcakes to Tiger owners.


Saleen

I was talking about the true Russian Dragunov barrel. It is longer than the Tiger barrel I believe. I thought that would be all is needed along with the gas system, and fake flash hider to make a real Dragunov clone.

Personally, I think 5 is too many drags to have. You need to sell me one :naughty:

 

[Saleen]

You are correct. It is longer by about 4", sorry. I thought you meant that there was something different that would prevent the military FH/FS to be installed on a regular Tiger barrel.

Oh, and none are for sale.....yet. I'm holding on to one .308 gun to sell when the supply dries up and the price skyrockets. If at all possible (and with Uncle Sam's refund check) I'll get another for the same purpose.

YUK-YUK-YUK-YUK-YUK-YUK :naughty:


Saleen

 

[SkullFarmer]

There's a thread on the K-VAR forum where folks are trying to sweet-talk Arsenal into producing SVDs.

http://www.k-varcorp.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1145

Probably worth going over there and chiming in (and asking them to produce a 5.45 AK receiver while you're at it). :smile:

 

[Carb850]

There's a thread on the K-VAR forum where folks are trying to sweet-talk Arsenal into producing SVDs.

http://www.k-varcorp.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1145

Probably worth going over there and chiming in (and asking them to produce a 5.45 AK receiver while you're at it). :smile:

Thanks, my plea was added.

BTW, they are bringing over a complete 5.45 AK later this year. I do not think they have any plans on selling reciever blanks though.

 

[SkullFarmer]

Thanks, my plea was added.

BTW, they are bringing over a complete 5.45 AK later this year. I do not think they have any plans on selling reciever blanks though.

Any idea how they'll be set up (cleaning rod, muzzle device, 922(r) compliance parts, etc)?

Given the quality of their SA series, these might be worth waiting for.

 

[Carb850]

Any idea how they'll be set up (cleaning rod, muzzle device, 922(r) compliance parts, etc)?

Given the quality of their SA series, these might be worth waiting for.

Not for sure yet on the specifics. I have read they are coming into the country with a thumbhole stock and single stack magazine. Arsenal is supposed to add the necessary parts for compliance along with a pistol grip and double stack magazine.

I have a Bulgarian 5.45 kit that I was going to get built, but I am not real happy with any of the current reciever choices. Once I heard about these, I put my build on hold.

 

[Carb850]

Any idea how they'll be set up (cleaning rod, muzzle device, 922(r) compliance parts, etc)?

Given the quality of their SA series, these might be worth waiting for.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=59864

A little info on them in the link above. Someone posted a pic of the thumbhole version but I cannot find it now.

 

[SkullFarmer]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=59864

A little info on them in the link above. Someone posted a pic of the thumbhole version but I cannot find it now.

Many thanks. My guess is that they'll sell the hell out of these because magazines are so plentiful. Of course, if the AWB sunsets, there will be plenty of 5.56 waffles available as well.

Happy belated birthday, by the way.