how much effort do you think would be required to get one to work in a chinese 223 AK i have one of the slant cut receiver butthole rifle
I mailed out the M/O.... but damit... I forgot to put the stamp so it is back in the mail now... duh... Thanks...
Damn rookie status to send a PM... :headbang:
I can't say a word. I told Coils I'd send him a spring right out, I put it in a envelope, stamped, ready to go, and it fell between the seats. I just found it this morning! The perils of living 1/2 a mile from your own mailbox! Sorry Coils, GF has the car at work so I'll mail it tomorrow. Try not to shoot me on sight.
renegade; I was wondering if you are still offering the adapters. I tried to pm you here, but I don't have enough posts yet. I have a detailed PM to you on the saiga-12 forum with some questions if you can help me out. (Sorry for hi-jacking the thread). Mike...
You don't need to grind on the rivet and yes, the trunnion is the part that is riveted in the receiver and holds the barrel. You do have to grind very close to the rivet, however.Hey renegade. I picked up an AR magazine today just to see how it would fit; so I could tell if/how much modification I will have to do to my saiga. The ar magazine definitely does NOT go in all the way to where the mag touches the mag-rail. Now, I am really bad with the terminology, so bear with me. I assumed the "TRUNNION" was the part just below the barrel. After closer inspection, I now assume that the trunnion is the entire piece that WRAPS AROUND from left to righ and in front of the barrel. So, can I assume that the part of the trunnion that you mention as needing to have some "GRINDING" done on it; are the 2 ends; left and right side; just above the rivet; that eventually rests on the TOP MOST FRONT of the magazine, where the notch gut out is on both sides of the magazine???
Assuming I am correct, I have 3 questions please.
1. What is the best way to grind this down? I have a dremmel with most every accessory for it. Cutting wheel, round grinding wheel, ?????
2. If I grind TOO MUCH, is that a major problem?
3. With it ground down; if I was to take out the adapter and put in the original magazine again, will that missing support make using the original magazine "Less" reliable. Thanks. Mike.....
Maybe I can ask in a simpler format. I do better with Q&A. Let me try.
1. When a magazine is put in; either a saiga, surefire, or AR; the TOP of the magazine hits the 2 spots on the trunnion. On a Saiga/Surefire magazine, this spot on the magazine is a deeper cut, so the magazine goes deeper in, and is flush (Basically) with the mag rail. Correct?
2. When you say the WIDTH of the trunnion is too much for the AR magazine, are you saying I need to grind TOWARDS the outside of the weapon; making it thinner; so the AR magazine passes BETWEEN them? And thus when the magazine is in all the way and flush with the mag rail, that the trunnion WON'T BE TOUCHING the notches on the top of the magazine at all; but rather the SIDE of the magazine???
3. OR, are you saying that the trunnion needs to be ground deeper (UP or DOWN - depending on your view) so that the trunnion STILL TOUCHES the notches on the top of the magazine; just that it's deeper and the magazine can go in a little further so it contacts the mag rail.
In other words: If the gun is in my lap. Upside down. Totally field stripped. And I'm looking in the mag well from the bottom. And the gun is sitting so the barrel is facing forward; and the trunnion spots in question are on the LEFT and RIGHT of the mag well. If I was to take a dremmel straight downward into the mag well, would I want to grind the left one MORE LEFT, or MORE DOWNWARD. And the righ side; MORE RIGHT, or MORE DOWNWARD?
Hope that's a more accurate and clear question. By the way.... THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. mike....
Renegade. Definitely thanks for all your help in understanding the grinding process. I believe I now understand the process and what needs to be done. It's definitely more grinding than I though it would require. And now I have to think hard if it's something I want to do. It's definitely something I can do, but not sure if I really want to grind that much off. There's definitely some advantages to using an AR adapter, and yours is definitely a quality build. And I've only heard great things about it. And the cost is reasonable. Money is definitely not an issue here. But I have to decide whether I would need/buy enough AR magazines to make it worth my time and money to do all the grinding; and potentially running into a problem. I'm not the type that thinks I need to have 10+ magazines. And the surefires, @ $28 from Mississippiarms, means that 5 Surefires would be the same price as 1 adapter and 4 AR magazines. So, I have to decide if 5 magazines; plus the 2 I already have, is enough. If it isn't, then the adapter plus AR mags is the way to go. If I think 5 additional magazines is enough, then that might be the way to go instead of grinding down the trunnion.
My biggest concern is the grinding. Not the HOW part, but the how much part. Most people it seems didn't have to grind much. The way my magazines sit in the well, will require quite a bit of grinding. And seeing that one customer who bought an MSA adapter, and totally screwed up his trunnion; to the point of the gun not being safe to shoot; worries me. Granted, it looks like he definitely did ask as many questions as I have, and he didn't know what/where to grind properly. And most people have had nothing but success. But for mine, it looks like a lot of grinding. I'll definitely have to think this through. Thanks again for all you help. I definitely understand the saiga a lot more than I did 48 hours ago. You are providing a great service to the various forums and visitors with your knowledge. Thanks again. Mike....
Hey Renegade, just wondering if you had gotten the M/O and if you had sent the adapter? I will be out of the desert this week and then going back out on Sunday, was hoping it would be at home, so I can make the change... (and no ladies thats not menopause)... and test it out on the ranges....