[shadow29483]

I've seen on here a few builds that people have posted and they have used a heat treated 1500' style paint for there receivers.
How does this compare with the parkerizing finish through time. Every gun I own is parkerized or has the blueing effect, not painted. Is it more of a preference thing for cosmetic purposes. Or is this more standard for longevity and durability.
Thanks

 

[yosuthnmasa]

Shadow, I was under the impression that a parkerized gun was more durable than the high temp paint.

 

[shadow29483]

Me too, But an awfull lot of people are doing it nowadays.

 

[mike26038]

Park is sweet, but I don't feel like tooling up to do it..

So I paint.. My AKs are not show peices, so scratches don't bug me, too much...

 

[hotbarrel]

I realy like to park . I have differant tanks differant burners all set up. it is easy and fun "if you like it". park is tough stuff. now do not get me wrong I am not paint bashing. but parking is so easy and fun why would I paint. phosphatizeing may be cheaper or at least very close. what are you wanting to phosphatize, what size, maby we can get it done

 

[yosuthnmasa]

I know where I'm stopping by on my next trip to Pensacola! I can bring my new jig that 555th is sending this week and you can show me how to park.


edit: For that matter, I know where I'm staying for the weekend. There would be nothing better than skipping out on the inlaws and building and then parking some receivers.

edit again: even better...http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1390

 

[hotbarrel]

I am about as far north and east as you can go and still be in the U.S. .. you are welcome to come by and we can heat up a park tank, run a few of the guns, light the charcoal. sounds good to me.

 

[citra47]

Actually, I believe baked on paint over parkerizing will give a much longer, more rustproof finish. A friend and I used to park guns as a business in South Florida and I think a parkerized finish is great. It will, however scratch and it will rust if not oiled - just not quite as fast as a blue finish.

If you do a prepaint park, the paint will hold much better and last a lot longer from rough usage. A great finish is gun kote over park. If done right, you end up with an almost rustproof finish. Just my 2 cents.

 

[hotbarrel]

I have to agree with citra47 , Phoshaptizeing is a great bast for paint !!!! I also like to bake paint it is a hole differant world if you bake it. I heat up any metal parts before painting and would bake them whenever I can. I have to admit I never have done this on a gun ,

here is a painting tip,,, take your burnzomatic torch to allmost anything bare metal and in a second or two you will actualy see the water sweat out of the metal then the heat will dry it. believe it or not metal takes in water like a sponge. try it you will be amaized. if you do not force dry it you will seal in the water with the paint.
move your torch around forceing the water out and dry as you go,,the metal only has to end up barely hot to the touch, not real hot at all. you will never paint anything without dooing this again after you see.

 

[yosuthnmasa]

HB, it would be nice to plan a trip to visit another fellow gunco member. Especially one that is set up so nicely.

So I could heat up my receiver, paint it with Krylon and then park over it? Or phoshpate the metal first,and then park over it?

 

[ak'sr4me]

I realy like to park . I have differant tanks differant burners all set up. it is easy and fun "if you like it". park is tough stuff. now do not get me wrong I am not paint bashing. but parking is so easy and fun why would I paint. phosphatizeing may be cheaper or at least very close. what are you wanting to phosphatize, what size, maby we can get it done

Hotbarrel. How expensive is it to initially set up for parkerizing. I would like to give it a try but don't want to have to spend several hundred dollars to do it.The gun bluing thing I have been doing is getting old. The guns keep rusting on me unless I keep them dripping with gun oil. ak'sr4me

 

[hotbarrel]

parking is NOT expensive at all. I bought a bottle of chemical for about $20. and it is enough to do a LOT of work. I make stainless pots to cook parts in. and could hook you up. as for heating up the acid. I have a tank for AK recievers I do on the stove. I have one for barreled recievers and I made a burner myself for that. started with a gas grill parst from the dump and made the burner from a stainless tube. I have another tank that is about 18 inch square and I heat that on my BBQ. for me the only cost has been the $20 for the chemical.
I HIGHLY recomend palmetto for the chemical.. their # is 864-246-3836. they are honest and will not sell you crap you do not need

 

[ak'sr4me]

What type of acid do you need to use? I know nothing about parkerizing.If you can hook me up with pots and directions on how to do it, that would be great. I can figure a way to heat them, even if I have to buy an old beat up oven and set it up in my garage. My girlfriend is getting upset with me for using our oven in the house for baking gun parts. It will be around the 1st of the month when I will be able to set out some cash for what I need. Trying to make my retirement check last all month is tough. Ecspecially with this AK addiction on my back. I been trying to find an ak anonomous meeting around here but no luck, so far. May have to start my own group. ak'sr4me

 

[Hoploholic]

For acid etching of freshly blasted parts I use muriatic acid that can be bought at Lowes or the like. Dilute it 10 parts water to one part acid...and remember to always add acid to water. If you are cooking your own park solution you will need phosphoric acid for that. I cook all my stuff on a $99 double burner camp stove(propane). You can also use a single burner turkey fryer setup.

 

[Oldgunner]

Try KG Coating it?s the best and even better over Park.
http://www.kgcoatings.com/
Lot?s of variety in color and finish

 

[hcpookie]

Actually, I believe baked on paint over parkerizing will give a much longer, more rustproof finish. A friend and I used to park guns as a business in South Florida and I think a parkerized finish is great. It will, however scratch and it will rust if not oiled - just not quite as fast as a blue finish.

If you do a prepaint park, the paint will hold much better and last a lot longer from rough usage. A great finish is gun kote over park. If done right, you end up with an almost rustproof finish. Just my 2 cents.

That's what HK does to their rifles. Park then paint.

 

[hotbarrel]

ak'sr4me if you call palmetto at the number above and order a bottle of their zinc parkerizeing solution it will have all the instructions needed. you will add only 4 oz to each gallon of distiled watter so a bottle will go a long way for you. I will be happy to help you with a stainless steal tank. what size do you need?? are you dooing a reciever or a barreled reciever?? if you can find an old gas grill to cook on that may be a good choise. as for an oven .... not so good..... well maby it will work.... all you have to do is heat the mix and put in your part.

the short fast description of the steps is this ,,, clean the part, cook the part, netralize the part. after prep cleaning the part with something that will remove any oil, then it MUST evaporate, I have used brake cleaner for this. put the part in the hot mix, {just below boiling} for 20 min. ...... remove the part and spray the heck out of it with WD-40 ASAP. the WD will drive out any moisture. prety much that is it in a quick run down. when you call palmetto he will answer questions too . they are small so let it ring , and if no answer keep trying. but you will not beat his customer servise. he took the time to answer all my questions.
good luck. let me know if you realy want a tank.

 

[ak'sr4me]

Thanks for all the info, guys. Hotbarrel, I will be doing barreled receivers so I would think I would need a tank about 3 foot long and maybe 8 to 12 inches wide. Yes I would like you to weld me up one if you have the time. Let me know about how much money you will need and I will send it to you around the first of Oct. What about the bore of the barrel. Do you have to plug the ends and gas port hole before parkerizing and if so what do you use to do it with. ak'sr4me

 

[hotbarrel]

I will try to get you something put togeather this week that will do a barreled reciever.
as for the barrel ,,,, I use small corcks I bought at the hardware store. some guys just leave it open if it is a chrome lined barrel , saying any residue comes off when you shoot. the chrome is NOT reactive to the acid so it should not change at all but may have residue on it.
as for cost HHHMMMmmm well someone has to pay for my new welder. lol haha
I am very shure we can agree on something and both be happy.

I can hold off on shipping if you like

 

[hcpookie]

FWIW,

I just bought some parkerizing chemicals from ACE HARDWARE. Stuff's called "ospho" and is $20/gallon. MSDS sheet says it is 75% phosphoric acid (!!!) and is intended to be a metal prep solution for painting. Says it will even do galvanized metals too. SO I'm going to give it a shot this weekend to see how it works. Will keep you posted!

Edit - seems to work really well!

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/AK/docs/construction/finishing/ospho.htm