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http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/10579374.htm?1c

The Associated Press


WASHINGTON - U.S. citizens and legal workers would have to get an updated Social Security card before they apply for their next job under legislation proposed Wednesday to curb illegal immigration.

Requirements: Reps. David Dreier, R-Calif., and Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso, say their bill would require the Social Security Administration to issue cards for new job applicants with a digital photo of the cardholder and an electronic strip that contains information about the individual, including his or her citizenship status.

Employers: The bill would require employers to ask applicants to show that they have a Social Security card and verify that the card is authentic with the Department of Homeland Security through a toll-free number or a card reader that would be connected to a Homeland Security database.

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Sounds like a good deal to me.
 

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Custer said:
My card still says:

"Not For Purposes of Identification".
I'm afraid that went out the window years ago when the military started using the SSN as the serial number for all military personnel.
 

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I don't understand why they even gave everyone a card when they made a comment like that on it. I think the new one will be different. We are well past the era when a mans word is his bond.
 

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My card still says it so I expect the gubmint to honor its word.

The rest of you young fellers are out of luck.
 

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Custer said:
My card still says it so I expect the gubmint to honor its word.

The rest of you young fellers are out of luck.
I suspect the old one will become something that might bring some money on ebay as a historical document someday. Otherwise it will be worthless. :D
 

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i haven't seen my old one for 20 years or more..its around here somewhere..just glad i can remember the number..
 

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This is one more way of pushing us closer to the United Socialist States of America. I'm sure Hillary is thrilled by this idea. One of the best ways to keep control of people is a "National ID Card".
I laid out a storyline for a (still unfinished) novel that used the concept of an American whose National ID card is revoked in a future "More Secure" America. He couldn't buy anything (all transactions ID verified, and cash has been abolished), get a paycheck (all tracked via ID for the IRS), Access his bank account, use public transportation (all movement tracked via ID card swiping for 'homeland security"), use a computer terminal for internet access (also tracked for homeland security), drive his car (tracked the same way).
The story goes through his trying to find ways around this.
Sound like a scary, silly fantasy? Most of the hardware and software for this scenario is already available, and just awaits the right leader and climate to be implemented.
 

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One of the best ways to keep control of people is a "National ID Card".
Flash News!

They've already got it for legal US citizens. Existing SS card, drivers license, income tax return, required registration for the draft, hunting license, fishing license, conceal carry permit, medicare cards, bank account numbers, etc, etc.

Problem is, Mohammud Gonnakillya, or Pedro Stealyurjob can sneak into the US and his wife can get free hospital treatment giving birth to a kid at taxpayers expense. And his kids can get a free education at taxpayer expense. And he can go to certain states and get a drivers license without any identification. And, he can travel all over the US and do just about anything he wants without detection because 'OUR" privacy shouldn't be invaded. :wallbash:
 

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I.D. does not seem to matter or help:


D. A. King

Thursday, January 6, 2005 9:05 PM EST
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In today's Los Angeles, when a police officer sees a gang member on the street who is in our nation illegally, a 1979 city directive prevents him from apprehending that illegal alien because of his immigration status alone - even if he has knowledge that the subject has been previously deported because of a violent crime. And even though it is a felony to re-enter the U.S. after deportation.

Manhattan Institute fellow Heather MacDonald reports that in Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide are for illegal aliens and as of January 2004, there were more than 1,200 such warrants.

Similar policies that prohibit or do not require law enforcement officers to report to the Customs and Immigration Enforcement bureau (formerly the INS) the presence of known felonious illegal aliens are in place in Houston, Chicago, San Francisco and other American cities. Such regulations are generally known as "Sanctuary laws" and demonstrate the growing power of the Mexican government and the well-funded illegal alien lobby in our nation.

In Los Angeles, that sanctuary rule is known as "Special Order 40." Despite being prohibited under the Immigration Reform Act of 1996, it is a policy that is strictly enforced. So much for the rule of law.


Gangs that were previously known mainly in California, such as "Mara Salvatrucha" and the "18th Street Gang" now represent a serious and growing problem in the metro Atlanta area and the Southeast. Officials report that the majority of these gang members are in our nation illegally, many with previous records of violent crimes.

The alarming increase in the number of gangs and the crimes they commit here is a direct result of our encouraging and assisting what Georgia state Sen. Sam Zamarripa (D-DeKalb) evasively labels as "immigrants" with "incomplete documentation" to settle in our region by rewarding them with special treatment.

In today's Georgia, Atlanta policy affects the entire state. It is therefore important to know that in May 2004, Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin approved an agreement with the government of Mexico that recognizes the Mexican Consulate-issued Matricula Consular ID as valid for city business and services. Illegal aliens are the only ones with a need for that easily forged and obtained ID (ask to see one of my three.) The process of that approval lasted more than a year, during which time there was little - if any - information made available to the public.

Mayor Franklin remarked on a local call-in radio show in December that she did so "on advice of her police chief" and that she felt it was "a help." One wonders to whom.

In December, Congress quietly failed to provide funding for the border security provisions it approved in the Intelligence Bill. It further refused to keep the strongest recommendations of the 9/11 Commission that would have aided in U.S. interior security by standardizing driver's licenses and adapting more efficient deportation procedures. The topic may be reconsidered in the 109th Congress to begin in January, we are told.

Meanwhile, thousands of desperate people cross our intentionally unsecured borders every day with full knowledge that many of the laws Americans are expected to obey in America do not apply to them. For many, their destination is Georgia and the Atlanta area.

If you build it, they will come.


To most of us, it is clear that if we are to defend the rule of law and our children's future America, an effort at immigration-law enforcement must begin at home, on the state and local level.

If you tear it down, they will leave.

In today's Atlanta, the mayor is openly encouraging lawbreakers "just looking for a better life" to come and remain here. It does not seem unreasonable for Georgians to wonder if the City of Atlanta is considering the implementation of a Special Order 40-type "sanctuary law" for its police force - or if one is already in place.

For those of us who do not want "Georgiafornia" - say it ain't so, Madam Mayor.

Por favor.

D.A. King of Marietta is founder of The American Resistance Foundation, a nationwide coalition of citizens that actively opposes illegal immigration.
 

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I'm with Custer.

The law still reads that the SSN and card are not to be used for ID purposes.

Yet (for example) you cannot purchase cell phone service without providing your SSN and address so that the phone company can do a credit check.

Verizon uses your SSN as the accountholder's name.

Noah
 

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This has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration and everything to do with establishing a national photo ID.

There is already a law on the books requiring employers to verify an employee's right to live and work in the USA and to maintain documentation of that right (i.e. a photocopy of the employee's green card or social security card) in the employee's personnel record.

That law isn't enforced. Custer and I have been bickering about that for months.

So what we have here we have an add-on requirement to an unenforced law.

If you want to do something about illegal immigration, enforce the existing law. You don't need a new one. But, again, I don't think this really has anything to do with illegal immigration - 'cause if Homeland Security wanted to, they'd enforce the existing law.

Here's how much the Bush administration cares about the existing law: Bush nominated to head up the agency a fellow who had to decline the nomination when it became public that he himself was in violation of the law, having hired an illegal alien himself.
 

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None of that goes to the issue, Smeg and that is why that problem does not get solved.

Cute little political one upmanship games.
 

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Custer said:
I.D. does not seem to matter or help..........:

...In today's Los Angeles, when a police officer sees a gang member on the street who is in our nation illegally, a 1979 city directive prevents him from apprehending that illegal alien because of his immigration status alone - even if he has knowledge that the subject has been previously deported because of a violent crime. And even though it is a felony to re-enter the U.S. after deportation....
All of that is perfectly fine with me...... if we build a fence and put our border patrol between California and the rest of the United States.
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration and everything to do with establishing a national photo ID.
Absolutely my point.

Dzerzhinsky said:
There is already a law on the books requiring employers to verify an employee's right to live and work in the USA and to maintain documentation of that right (i.e. a photocopy of the employee's green card or social security card) in the employee's personnel record.

That law isn't enforced. Custer and I have been bickering about that for months.

So what we have here we have an add-on requirement to an unenforced law.
No, what we have here is a complete overhaul of the way your SSN is verified, and what the USG does with that info (check against "HS database")

Dzerzhinsky said:
If you want to do something about illegal immigration, enforce the existing law. You don't need a new one. But, again, I don't think this really has anything to do with illegal immigration - 'cause if Homeland Security wanted to, they'd enforce the existing law.
No, it doesn't, it has to do with the furthering of people control by the USG. Scare tactics will be used to try to push this through like PatriotI and II.

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Here's how much the Bush administration cares about the existing law: Bush nominated to head up the agency a fellow who had to decline the nomination when it became public that he himself was in violation of the law, having hired an illegal alien himself.
Pointless political blather. How was Bush supposed to know about that?
 

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cammmobunker, we agree on the overall deal here - that this isn't about illegal immigration, it's about increased Federal control over the subjects, er, citizens.

FYI, some would contend that before you nominate a person to head up the agency holding primary responsibility for the nation's security that you do a background check on them. Or, here's a concept, perhaps you at least ask them if there's anything that might come up that would prevent their appointment. In a separate "Why I hate Bush" thread I outlined another instance of this general theme of Bush acting in a manner that is either very stupid or very contemptuous of the citizenry - and my thinking that it's probably the latter. Nominating a person who had an illegal alien as an employee to head up the Homeland Security deparment responsible for preventing illegal immigration was either very stupid or treating the citizenry with contempt.
 

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cammobunker said:
I laid out a storyline for a (still unfinished) novel that used the concept of an American whose National ID card is revoked in a future "More Secure" America. He couldn't buy anything (all transactions ID verified, and cash has been abolished), get a paycheck (all tracked via ID for the IRS), Access his bank account, use public transportation (all movement tracked via ID card swiping for 'homeland security"), use a computer terminal for internet access (also tracked for homeland security), drive his car (tracked the same way).
That idea has already been thought of Cammobunker. And it will happen. Sounds a lot like the Mark of the Beast!!!

Revelation 13 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 

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Dzerzhinsky said:
.....Nominating a person who had an illegal alien as an employee to head up the Homeland Security deparment responsible for preventing illegal immigration was either very stupid or treating the citizenry with contempt.
Reminds me of another story. Once upon a time there was this country who elected a draft dodger for Commander in Chief. Sound familiar?
 
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